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The source by Keyes published by AuthorHouse is self-published, as already brought up by the nominator. Using non-independent sources is giving undue weight to their variation. How popular are these variations. Using analogy used in WP:UNDUE, is this the same as listing all the supporters that the
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Popular enough to be used and distributed amongst K12 schools in the US (as the link provided shows has been done). I think your misunderstanding the analogy, this List is more like seperating
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and add more sources for each paragraph. I see multiple different sources, several are to 1, but not all, so 'Single Source' argument is somewhat invalid. The first AFD got it right.
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per lack of genuine reliable sourcing (see above). Truly notable (and sourcable) variations, should any exist, can be covered in the
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and have a brief description of each variation - definetly notable, should not be deleted.
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