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mean that WP:NOT does not justify this and other similar deletions. I honestly do not understand how someone can look at this list and think that it isn't indiscriminate. I don't get how someone can legitimately look at this list of however many hundred or thousand entries it is, gathering everything from The Alan Brady Show which was actually integral to its source program to something like Admiral Baby from The Simpsons which was a two-sentence joke in a series that's generated hundreds of hours of content, and think that it's useful for research or encyclopedic or discriminating. Usually when a debate about something like this gets contentious I can still see some merit in the argument of the other side but here I can't.
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is more than enough to delete a list which seeks to capture every fictional television show from every medium with no regard to the importance of those shows either in the fictional universe it's from or outside it. Just because there is not a specific entry in WP:NOT that talks about lists does not
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then that would be a reasonable, focused list in line with WP:FICT and, most likely, a discriminated list in line with WP:NOT. A list of fictional television programs drawn from every source which includes such a program regardless of whether that program plays some actual roles within the real show
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counsel against lists from multiple source materials? I've read and re-read it and I can see nothing that even remotely backs up that assertion. I'll happily admit I'm wrong about this if you can point out the line or section you're referring to (I assume you don't mean the discussion page). I see
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Reasonable list, fictional television shows, if you see a problem with the current criteria, suggest a more limited one if you feel it is appropriate. That may be a sustainable argument. However, that doesn't mean deletion, just clean-up. Since I see the value of having such a collated list
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is policy and it prohibits indiscriminate lists by virtue of prohibiting indiscriminate collections of information. There is certainly a difference of opinion as to whether this list is indiscriminate which, frankly, I don't get because of the tremendously wide net the list casts in capturing
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are nt exhaustive and nothing in the document indicates that they are intended to be. Is "collection of every non-existent TV show ever mentioned in passing in some other medium" one of the listed points? No. Does that mean that the policy precludes such a collection from being considered an
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It does not suggest using one list to try to capture every single example of something fictional regardless of its importance to the work from which it's derived. WP:NOT instructs that Knowledge (XXG) is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. If there were a
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supports my case - I'm saying that WP:NOT doesn't support your case either. And in the lack of policy on the matter, all we're left with is your opinion, my opinion and the community's opinion, which is looking more and more like it wants to keep these lists.
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criteria, or misapplying the "indiscriminate" guideline, none of the points of which apply here. Scope and discrimination of list seems perfectly acceptable to me, also seems pretty well-organised and annotated where appropriate.
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If people are actually searching by fictional show title, which is preferable: to be taken to a list of thousands of other shows or to be taken to an article either about the show (if it's notable) or to the source material?
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I see no need for the deletion of these lists. I find them useful for reference and I'm always looking for things to add to them. Sure, some may just be a passing reference by title, but some people do search for them.
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be an explicit reference to lists. As I said, we'll have to rely on the community's judgement on a case-by-case basis - decisions I'll be happy to accept. --
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is the notion of creating lists across works supported. Every example is presented in terms of items within a work of fiction. The broadest capture that
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or whether the program is merely mentioned in a line of dialog in a single episode, never to be heard of again, does not conform to WP:FICT or WP:NOT.
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This, like many other lists in this group of nominations are good for both browsing & research. A reason for deletion is not: I'll never use it.
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I'm unsure as to what you think quoting that portion of WP:NOT does toward supporting your case. WP:FICT advises to use lists for minor items
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material, but trying to consense on whether the list is indiscriminate or not is not the same thing as the policy's not applying.
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I'm really sorry to keep harping on about this, and I promise I'm not being deliberately obtuse or obstructive here, but
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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is a guideline for lists of fictional things and it counsels against lists across multiple source materials.
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is an incomplete guideline, which can or may never satisfy any objective standard for completeness
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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indiscriminate collection of information? Of course not. As I noted in another of these,
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endorses is within works set within the same fictional universe (such as
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Personally I would like the option of all. We shouldn't have to choose.
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isn't prohibited by the letter of the policy. Do you think such a list
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another fictional list nomination and discussion citing non-existent
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Nonsense. Not a straw man argument at all. You're misunderstanding
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Responding only to the idea that "none of the points" of
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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desat
05:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
List of fictional television shows
List of fictional television shows
edit
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links
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Otto4711
09:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
23skidoo
15:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Jcuk
17:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Axem Titanium
05:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
TonyTheTiger
18:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
WP:ILIKEIT
Axem Titanium
05:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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