387:- As far as I'm concerned, such a list serves a useful purpose and concisely conveys a plethora of information on worldwide hockey. While I will concur that the sourcing is sub par at best and that most of the countries where hockey is a total unknown (Burkina Faso, Maldives, etc.) should be removed, I wouldn't advocate for deleting the entire article. I also agree with Colapeninsula that the potential for losing valuable information exists were the article to be deleted. For instance, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are hockey-playing countries - albeit on a small scale - but as neither country has joined the IIHF, the details presented on the page would disappear from the wiki. Many such claims, as with the aforementioned countries, are easily sourceable and I have the requisite knowledge to locate said sources. But just as note, the SIHR has (or had) profiles detailing "all" (non-hockey countries included) countries from the letters A-E. So it could serve as a useful resource for some of the lesser-known countries where activities may exist in some form. --
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