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262:, none of which seem to have made much of an impact to the series. Also, a lack of reliable sources, as well as about half of the list including real-world locations which had little impact on the series are the final nails in the coffin. If locations need to be mentioned, they can instead be mentioned in the Atlas Shrugged article, but only those locations that really had an impact, not an unnamed bar on top of a skyscraper. 204:―I do confess that I do not know much about it. However, I have found that whereas other articles about lists of fictional locations do have some reasonable secondary sources that establish its notability, there are no such secondary sources here―well, there is are the primary sources, but that, of course, does not establish its "real-world notability" that is 508:. This may be interesting or useful for some fans or scholars, but that doesn't mean it meets our criteria for inclusion. There is simply nothing to indicate that locations in this particular novel are a notable subject covered in secondary sources. There are other sites where this type of trivia can be documented. -- 495:
Half the article is made up of real-world places coupled with plot, and the other half is made up of minor sites or building-like places of which any real-world town/region has non-notable thousands. And this is just one novel instead of a franchise where places show up repeatedly and might need a
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The most expensive barroom in New York, built on the top of a skyscraper, while reproducing the feel of being in a cellar. It has uncomfortable tiny tables, awful drinks and miserable service......" It's fair enough to have entries on fictional places like Narnia or the bar in Cheers, but such
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is one of the greatest books ever written, but this list is pointless and does not belong in Knowledge (XXG). It is not particularly notable and consists mostly of a list cobbled together of a combination of real places and fictional places, along with odd snippets of the plot of the novel.
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Atlas Shrugged is too long), parts of it can be split off. However, this list is also much too long, even in the context of an "Atlas Shrugged" wiki, so I would vote "trim and merge", if I cared that much about it. —
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book? If it was a series it would have been understandable. It could instead be merged to the main article if such locations are determined to be integral to the book's plot.
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about the notability of fictional places, an editor Juhachi came to me with a concern that fictional locations with no "real-world" notability probably fail the
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Attempts have been made to relocate the page to other wikis, but no one seems to be interested. See the discussions I linked above for more on that. --
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places should feature in multiple works or be really important to the work. Falls in the category of excessive detail. --
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As much as I think that this was probably nominated to prove a point, I have to agree with New questions on this one.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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How is this an indiscriminate list of locations when it only lists locations of one book?
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Things that will only be of importance to a small group of people?
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This is nothing more than an indiscriminate list of locations
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little explanation. Nothing notable, nothing to salvage. –
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