1245:. The simple reason for this is that there is no neutral definition of the term, and any classification is bound to involve, intentionally or unintentionally, the bias of the individual author. Even if it were renamed more neutrally, I have specific POV-conflict issues with any listing that includes only one side in a battle, "list of state terrorist acts against israel" would never be accepted as fully NPOV, neither would "List of acts of unprovoked agression by Arab states" so why would this? NPOV also extends to the articles we keep in relation to the ones deleted.
815:- i.e. on date A, some civilians (estimates range from B to C) died at location D, and the IDF was operating in the area at the time. So change the list name to something that reflects that. Any arguments about sourcing, and whether something was a massacre or not, belong in each specific article - this should be just a navigation list, not a full article. (Btw, if someone wants to argue that "significant" is biased, we could change it to just
358:. That would be ok but this article is flawed from the beginning as 99% of it is copy paste from another article and the rest is obviously not a massacre and not sourced (the sources provided now are not sources for this at all...). So best to delete it and it's possible to create another article like you say.
1955:. I think this could be construed as very POV, with weasel language in the name of the article and in the redirect links. For example, it still refers to 2006 Qana as a massacre, even after the Knowledge (XXG) community voted to change it to 2006 Qana Airstrike. This could also be construed as racism.
858:: The list contains events that happened by Jews and not Israelis before Israel was even created. Such a list you propose might be a possibility but it's something completley differnet. This one should be deleted as it's just a copy paste ! Start over if there's a need for a like like you suggested...
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The argument "non-neutral point of view" (violates WP:NPOV) is often used, but often such articles can be salvaged, so this is not a very strong reason for deletion either." And at the top of the page it also says "For problems that do not require deletion, including ... POV problems, be bold and fix
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also "inherintly POV"? Are you saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the
Israeli forces to commit a massacre and any claim of it will always be a point of view? even if so, why not a simple rename to "killing" or something else? Is it "inherintly pov" to chronologically list the Israeli forces killings,
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The only source where the term "massacre" is used is from the Israel
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list can be created to move those non-IDF incidents into. If we could think of a good NPOV name, we could keep them together, but it's becoming more and more unwieldy, if we can't use "massacre" or "alleged massacre", and we can't say "Israeli forces", since some incidents occured before Israel was
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that we have an obligation to be nice to Israel) or "endless arguments" (nope, don't see that either; debate is healthy). However, the article has fatal NPOV issues: the title begs the question; the content is poorly sourced, and the list indiscriminate. I do not believe that these issues could be
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As I said, we can argue over the titles all we want, but when you stop and look at the actual contents, you'll see that there are a lot of one-sided lists in existence. (Just for the record, the list I mentioned contains twenty-three massacres committed by
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Which is why I stated that the article should be properly sourced. No, not with sources calling the actions for massacres, but with sources verifying that the incidents did occur and that Israel was the perpetrator. Whether it were deliberate actions or not is something that never will be fully
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Israel has not done the things listed at all and definitely not precisely like you claim. Massacres="deliberate and direct mass killing" - what you're trying to add wasn't direct and definitely not deliberate. It was colltareal damage or MISTAKES. It was deliberate sometimes during those events
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If you are worried that some non-massacress will be included, then delete those, that is an editorial issue irrelevant for this afd. But maybe your argument is that ALL of the
Israeli forces massacress occured during that single year? If not, why is it POV to list them, and who's pov?
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Israeli military or Jewish-aligned paramilitary operations with civilian casualties"? is getting ridiculous. Any thoughts on the split into those two lists? Like I said before, as long as incidents on both sides of the conflict are easily accessible, I'll be happy.
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How is this a Pov Fork? One is about a war that spans a year, the other is about all the massacres commited by a nation. One is has several nations involved, and only one year span, the other has one nation span and several years... I think i just convinced myself to vote
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I don't know of any RS media/international organizations who truly believed Israel massacred there in the meaning of the definition you provided. Good, if you support a redirect then change your vote. the article can always be recreated as a redirect. Cheers,
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Knowledge (XXG) users does not stand above what term definition, international organizations and media call the actions. Personally I support a redirect as per your suggestion though as I partially dislike 'articles' like this.
161:. Check the history. In time, some were added which are not massacres by any standards, it's a POV fork. It's such a copy paste that the person who created it didn't bother to add "references" in the end to the sources linked from the original article.
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which is undergoing AfD for the second time and is going to pass for the second time, this article is the same sort of thing. It would be nice for some of the sources to be carried over from this article, and I would support a
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we ban the terms "massacre" and "alleged massacre" all together, we establish a common definition for their use, or we only use "massacre" when the mass media uses the term itself. But whatever policy we choose, we have to be
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We've had another five "delete - pov" votes, but no-one's directly addressed what I asked before, so I'll try again. Is it POV because of the term "massacre" in the title? If so, rename to
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Palestinains saying so). You can change it to "List of Israeli operations" for example. Note that it doesn't say
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That's a fair call, the IDF wasn't involved in all the incidents listed - my bad. I looked up the other "responsible parties" in that list on
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PoV Fork, highly biased / one sided. Magnet for trouble. I mean come on "massacres commited by
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1389:: It seems that rules apply differently depending on who is doing the killing... The article is only a duplicate since User Amoruso erased all the massacres he didnt like.--
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1414:- This and related list concerning Israeli-Palestinian conflicts are controversial. I have seen an Afd for something similar before. Lists of this kind fail the
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Saying that Israel did not deliberately do those is not a question for debate and no RS in the world accused Israel of doing that. It's just grinding water now.
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agreed upon on this site, thus, a redundant discussion. Find sources for either POV instead, and do remember that UN officials stand above
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900:(in Hebrew - " פלמ"ח ") was the regular fighting force of the Haganah
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Unnecessary, inflammatory cut-and-paste job. POV magnet. --
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And Isarig is never POV. Just look at his edit history :-)
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Another great article written by a true man on a mission.-
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Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America
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the various list of massacres commited by Palestinians)
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240:- Your sense of sarcasm is crushingly good. :D --
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530:00:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
521:23:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
511:23:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
501:23:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
484:23:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
471:22:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
464:List of Hamas suicide attacks
454:22:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
442:22:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
420:22:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
405:List of Hamas suicide attacks
388:22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
363:23:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
345:22:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
306:22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
294:21:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
282:21:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
263:21:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
233:21:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
217:21:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
205:20:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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166:19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
149:19:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
55:21:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
1634:is labeled on this list as
551:, israeli friendly or not.
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1795:: (or possibly merge with
1596:remain undisputed because
1329:Zionist political violence
846:involving the other side.
800:Strong keep (after rename)
1602:al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
1594:Jerusalem bus 19 massacre
1508:Jerusalem bus 19 massacre
2078:Please do not modify it.
1324:Terrorism against Israel
1006:Terrorism against Israel
778:per nom and all above.--
413:Terrorism against Israel
32:Please do not modify it.
1714:Holy POV fork, Batman.
301:per nom and Amoruso.
173:per nom and Amoruso.
766:per nom and Amoruso.
479:which is what it is.
1636:Beit Hanoun massacre
1970:(Have a nice day!)
1900:POV fork, magnet.--
836:every single action
289:per nom. POV fork.
159:complete copy paste
1833:Sorry, my mistake
743:£€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€
2019:was an “attack”,
1540:when applying it.
1338:
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599:as per Coelacan.
260:
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2035:was a shooting,
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1561:above all else.
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2083:deletion review
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1167:where it says "
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780:Mantanmoreland
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586:Angus McLellan
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2037:7/7 in London
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2031:were crisis,
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736:per above. --
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1225:♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪
1224:
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197:POV magnet.
194:
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119:
113:
45:
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31:
28:
2029:Budyonnovsk
1957:Valley2city
1387:Strong Keep
1344:Strong keep
960:Rosicrucian
792:Rosicrucian
625:Strong keep
597:Strong Keep
311:Strong keep
1559:consistent
1538:consistent
1377:SlimVirgin
1247:Wintermut3
1152:FirefoxMan
439:Weregerbil
2063:pov fork
1931:Patstuart
1737:Quack 688
1563:Quack 688
1375:per nom.
1348:Akihabara
1333:Quack 688
1290:Quack 688
1109:Quack 688
1079:Quack 688
1064:Quack 688
991:bsnowball
939:Quack 688
848:Quack 688
844:incidents
840:incidents
829:one-sided
451:Ilikefood
432:db-attack
175:RGTraynor
2005:Folantin
1993:Moreschi
1981:Burgas00
1783:Burgas00
1672:GabrielF
1639:GabrielF
1391:Burgas00
1022:User:Nyp
738:PinchasC
490:Massacre
269:question
2053:Rune X2
1977:Comment
1914:Nuclear
1884:Abu ali
1849:- POV.
1835:Abu ali
1801:Abu ali
1779:Comment
1761:Nuclear
1757:WP:NPOV
1748:Striver
1704:Leifern
1682:Striver
1668:relabel
1659:Striver
1581:Leifern
1572:Striver
1474:Striver
1459:. POV.
1445:Striver
1412:Comment
1402:Amoruso
1361:Amoruso
1267:Comment
1259:Shamir1
1243:WP:NPOV
1219:Amoruso
1201:Amoruso
1053:frummer
1020:as per
1010:Abu ali
977:comment
951:Striver
898:Palmach
890:Haganah
860:Amoruso
856:Comment
826:several
756:savidan
698:Amoruso
678:Amoruso
659:Amoruso
655:Comment
645:RaveenS
641:WP:LIST
637:WP:NPOV
553:Amoruso
527:Amoruso
508:Amoruso
481:Amoruso
461:Comment
360:Amoruso
352:Comment
279:Striver
238:Comment
214:Leifern
163:Amoruso
86:protect
81:history
50:Jaranda
2061:Delete
2049:Moscow
2045:Madrid
2043:&
2041:Mumbai
2027:&
2025:Moscow
2023:&
2021:Beslan
2013:Delete
2001:Delete
1968:Dev920
1965:Delete
1953:Delete
1910:Delete
1898:Delete
1863:Isarig
1851:Isarig
1847:Delete
1826:Isarig
1712:Delete
1700:Delete
1628:Delete
1608:Tewfik
1483:Shanes
1461:Shanes
1457:Delete
1416:WP:POV
1373:Delete
1255:Delete
1239:Delete
1148:Delete
1033:Szvest
788:Delete
776:Delete
768:Elizmr
764:Delete
752:Delete
734:Delete
722:Tewfik
716:Delete
627:It is
614:Delete
589:(Talk)
425:Delete
370:Delete
299:Delete
291:Jayjg
287:Delete
222:Delete
210:Delete
195:Delete
187:Koweja
183:Delete
171:Delete
120:Israli
90:delete
46:delete
2033:Amish
1902:MONGO
1598:Hamas
1422:with
1420:Merge
912:Irgun
832:lists
633:WP:RS
601:Travb
581:WP:DP
536:WP:RS
107:views
99:watch
95:links
16:<
2017:9/11
1940:Beit
1927:Keep
1918:Zer0
1814:Beit
1793:Keep
1765:Zer0
1759:. --
1600:and
1178:acan
1126:acan
1097:Olve
1024:and
1018:Keep
1002:Keep
949:? --
905:Lehi
896:The
888:The
629:WP:V
617:IZAK
605:talk
538:? --
494:call
411:and
393:Keep
332:acan
320:move
303:6SJ7
277:. --
275:Keep
256:girl
244:Elar
230:Talk
199:Beit
142:girl
130:Elar
103:logs
77:talk
73:edit
1797:all
1652:Is
1174:coe
1122:coe
688:Nyp
668:Nyp
540:Nyp
518:Nyp
498:Nyp
468:Nyp
417:Nyp
384:el
328:coe
322:to
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1943:Or
1817:Or
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