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What's wrong with the "list of monarchs that have been accused of being mentally ill" idea? Of course we're never going to know definitively which monarchs were ill or not. We can recount what chroniclers have described them as - that's all we can ever do anywhere in
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Nothing wrong with the idea. I was prepared to like this list, but it's not much more than a set of nine blue-links and a "this-is-a-stub-have-fun-adding-to-it" invitation. Not only that, it's more of a list of people whom some historians have labelled as "geez, they must have been crazy".
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can't be definitive" is not a valid reason for deletion. If you want sources, fine, I'll footnote each individual entry, but given the article has existed for all of 9 hours I think we might be getting a bit over-zealous in this regard. None of the reasons recounted thus far are convincing.
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Do we really need more lists? There really is no way to judge whether a person from antiquity was mentally ill or not. It's the sort of thing that keeps scholars debating for decades. This list is basically going to become "List of monarchs that have been accused of being mentally ill."
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Some of the monarchs with a historical reputation for madness are linked by heredity. For example, Henry VI of
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403:: While moderately interesting, I don't believe that this really serves any purpose whatsoever. Any accusations of mental illness could be placed in the article itself (or confirmations) in it's own section, and the list can be (as so cleverly suggested by
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