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grown rather slenderer. Finally he states that it is possible that someone might be interested in this information. We delete articles every day that people are interested in, because they don't meet policies or guidelines. That somethign is interesting is not automatic grounds for its inclusion in Knowledge (XXG). Uncle G's arguments are weak, they do not address the objections to this list raised in the nomination, and opinions
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and it's far more interesting than many other articles here that most people would never dream of deleting. There's no major reason to get rid of this, and the fact that it survived two votes already makes it seem like certain people are just pulling the we're going to vote until I get the answer I
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is not a compelling argument. Each article must pass policies and guidelines on its own regardless of the existence of any other article. Even if one were to ignore that flaw in his argument, since the last AFD of this article a number of those lists have been deleted, so that particular reed has
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from "keep" to "no consensus." Six months passed between the second and the third. Hardly the mark of an organized effort to nominate and renominate until the desired result is achieved, and suggesting that the nominator is engaged in that sort of conduct strikes me as something of a failure to
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I don't see what's 'indiscrimate' about this list, it has very clear criteria for inclusion. As Gene Poole says, this list is going to be useful to some hard pressed radio producer - or Bob Dylan in theme time radio hour. Saying that it's incomplete is an argument for adding songs to it, not
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but his cited guideline states that the creator (and by extension, the defenders) of a list must be prepared to explain why the list contributes to the state of human knowledge. I don't see any such explanation in any of the AFDs of this article. He goes on to cite a slew of
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The fact that Knowledge (XXG) is not paper does not mean that every article gets a free pass. Regardless of the storage medium of the information on Knowledge (XXG), any individual article still has to meet the appropriate policies and guidelines.
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Just because it's true (and sourced) doesn't mean that it should be included in Knowledge (XXG). Even if the article itself is not indiscriminate (i.e. it has clear inclusion criteria), that doesn't mean that
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and see how that develops. In the meantime, these songs are still a loosely-associated list of things with nothing in common but the presence of some digits in the title. A list can follow the list
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Lists can certainly be quite useful, but this is taking it a bit too far. We don’t need a list of everything that can possibly be listed. Delete as
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The problem is that the main policies in question (not indiscriminate, not a directory...) are perhaps the vaguest policies on Knowledge (XXG).
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I don't like it when people keep trying again and again to get an article deleted because they don't like it. Plus I agree with Dream Guy
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would I find this information if I had a need for it? ...and as a radio programme director I can think of plenty of reasons why I might. --
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have something in common: they lead people to call the numbers, a fact that has been noted and even used as a form of marketing. See
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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by being well-defined in inclusion criteria and still be unsuitable for Knowledge (XXG) if it fails
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per the wise arguments made by Uncle G in previous debates, common sense has not changed since.
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The linked article cites two songs which have inspired crank calls (one of which, Alicia Keys'
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Believe it's been said but this is just a directory of loosely associated things which
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As Uncle G pointed out, this list is well-defined and unlikely to attract
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doesn't apply. In my opinion this article is not of any encyclopedic use.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG) is not a directory of loosely-associated topics
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deleting the whole article. Knowledge (XXG) isn't paper.
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List of songs which have inspired prank telephone calls
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per RockMFR, by which I mean per Uncle G elsewhere.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Krimpet
talk
01:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
List of songs whose title includes a phone number
List of songs whose title includes a phone number
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Listcruft
WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE
Kept in October 2005
got no consensus in November 2006

Hear
Speak
01:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG) is not a directory of loosely-associated topics
Otto4711
01:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Dennis The Tiger
Rawr

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