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666:, it's been discussed). It's not quite as difficult as it seems. Basically, type in "stan + eminem + groupies" and one would see possible sources, or "'She Came in Through the Bathroom Window' + groupies". In the early days of Knowledge (XXG), the resources we have now for seeing images of books and newspapers weren't there, and Adobe and even high-speed internet weren't that prevalent -- plus, it used to be that Knowledge (XXG)'s style of sourcing was such a pain in the ass ("retrieved on ____", ISBN No., etc.) that nobody wanted to bother. Technology has changed, and sourcing isn't so difficult anymore. 253:. I think this article has potential to expand. The original editor certainly has a hip-hop orientation so this list is grossly incomplete. I was able to add a couple of Beatles items without working too hard. I am certain there are a few more I can add myself. What is more perturbing is the short sighted determination that an article has no potential and thus should be deleted. 659: 272:- thank you for adding new tracks Trackinfo. Yes, i have a hiphop-orientation, but i knew eventually the article will grow into other genres such as the one's you added. The topic even goes into many public interviews with athletes, actors, politicians (ex: Princess Diana) and even many comic books address the topic of groupies. 456:
Nobody's disputing that there are songs of this theme (some of the ones on the list are questionable though), this issue is whether this is trivia or a notable topic. There are songs about hats and cheese too, but that doesn't mean an encyclopedia should list them. Without reliable sources, this is
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A note, in a short period of time, I've been able to add over a dozen entries to this list from completely different genre, with plenty more available. This has got to be a fairly common theme amongst rock stars, writing about what they see before them, a subject that they know and understand better
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Yes, individual entries on a list should have a link to a reference of some sort. A sourced article is less likely to get deleted than an unsourced article-- in fact, in the case of a sourced article, the person who nominates one often ends up looking like a fool and gets booed off the stage. Some
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While I appreciate Trackinfo's efforts to improve this one, there's no sourcing at all. My first thought was that this one was an old article from Knowledge (XXG)'s "help us reach a million articles" days. In 2005, sourcing was optional. In 2010, it's not a good idea to write an article that way.
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might i ask what is a "reliable source" for a list? A sourced paragraph or two about groupies pre-ceding the article? Almost every hiphop publication from TV to magazinse to websights had an article/show on groupies during the peak of Eminem's song "Stan". The same would be said with the whole
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Actually, there are plenty of sources that one can refer to to back up a list; my personal preference for reliability would be something found on Google books or on the website of a published magazine (such as Rolling Stone). It's possible that it's on something like
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might argue that a person could click on the blue link and read the sourcing info, but the information that's there today might be edited away later. Again, it's not as difficult as it might seem. For instance, the article on the Beatles' "
211:. I can't say that the criteria for inclusion in this list are clear to me. I'm not familiar with most of the songs on the list, but the ones that I am familiar with don't seem to warrant inclusion. For example, Bobby Brown's " 155: 633:
Brittany Spears thing. Princess Diana, etc.. How would a list like this be sourced? Pretty much common knowledge. Skimming the other lists of songs about a topic, and can't figure out what's ain't right with this list
683:- Thank you, but could you clarify? So individual songs should each have references and footnotes? Eminem's "Stan" would be an easy one, but many are just general songs about groupies. Recently, 490:- if the issue of groupies extends publicly into all genres of musics, athlete interviews, actors, politicians (ex: Princess Diana) and even comic books, surely it as justifyable like topics like 662:(don't know if it's there, don't care, just citing an example of a source), or, in the case of an individual song, it's in a discussion of the song (as you've pointed out with Eminem's song 149: 110: 292: 733:" has a link to back up the statement on that page that Paul McCartney wrote about a groupie who invaded his home (in the manner described in the title)-- Steve Turner, 83: 78: 87: 344: 318: 115: 70: 730: 691:
has been in the news for shooting a groupie with a BB Gun, but it does not apply to any specific songs by him, is that a reliable reference?
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article. Basically, it goes back to the idea that if you make a statement, someone will ask the question "Who said that?"
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Unreferenced original research. Subject of dubious notability, hardly considered anywhere in print, inlike, e.g.,
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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pretty much per nom. I don't really think this topic shows up very often in reliable sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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List of Knowledge (XXG) lists which never should have been created in the first place
198: 234:- is there really a significant difference between "obsessive fans" and a "groupie"? 684: 351: 325: 104: 216: 688: 49: 219:" is about an obsessive fan, but it seems a stretch to call him a groupie. -- 567: 369: 737:(Harper Paperbacks, 2005). It's an easy fix to put that same source into 215:" doesn't seem to have anything to do with groupies per se, and Eminem's " 194: 583:
sorry, didn't think it was a vote. Just makes the page easier to read.
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has !voted five times to keep; I've stricken all but the first.
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per nom. This seems to go over the line of just way too much.
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article, in which any notable examples might be mentioned.
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