666:, it's been discussed). It's not quite as difficult as it seems. Basically, type in "stan + eminem + groupies" and one would see possible sources, or "'She Came in Through the Bathroom Window' + groupies". In the early days of Knowledge (XXG), the resources we have now for seeing images of books and newspapers weren't there, and Adobe and even high-speed internet weren't that prevalent -- plus, it used to be that Knowledge (XXG)'s style of sourcing was such a pain in the ass ("retrieved on ____", ISBN No., etc.) that nobody wanted to bother. Technology has changed, and sourcing isn't so difficult anymore.
253:. I think this article has potential to expand. The original editor certainly has a hip-hop orientation so this list is grossly incomplete. I was able to add a couple of Beatles items without working too hard. I am certain there are a few more I can add myself. What is more perturbing is the short sighted determination that an article has no potential and thus should be deleted.
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Nobody's disputing that there are songs of this theme (some of the ones on the list are questionable though), this issue is whether this is trivia or a notable topic. There are songs about hats and cheese too, but that doesn't mean an encyclopedia should list them. Without reliable sources, this is
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A note, in a short period of time, I've been able to add over a dozen entries to this list from completely different genre, with plenty more available. This has got to be a fairly common theme amongst rock stars, writing about what they see before them, a subject that they know and understand better
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