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446:. It seems to me that the theremin used to be rare, but they are very easy to get nowadays, with a number of companies selling them, either ready-to-play or in kit form, and so there are many, many musicians experimenting with them and incorporating them into their music. This list would eventually grow unmanageable, and at the same time it is not a very useful resource. Should we list every song by 790:
as having used theremins seem like artists who just happen to have used a theremin on some of their songs. Certainly The Pixies, Phish, The Flaming Lips, Jean Michel Jarre and The Damned (for instance) do not "specialize" in using a theremin, do they? Can you elaborate on this notion of "the idea"?
145:. The songs are not related to each other in any way beyond the use of a particular instrument. That the songs include theremin tells us nothing about the song, the theremin, the artists who recorded the song, how any of these things relate to each other or music in general. 524:. I don't see how the theremin's being unusual affects whether or not the list is loosely associated - can you explain? In any case, while the theremin is arguably unusual, it is not rare anymore. See the list of bands who have used them in the "popular music" section of 626:
be useful to a reader in the future (and I do know that this point is arguable). I'm just always for salvaging whatever possible from an article while still striving to keep the masses of information manageable. Plus, (and i know this is just a personal thing) if
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I don't understand what you mean by "the idea". Where is this idea stated? How are editors to know that this is "the idea"? How does one know if a band "specializes" in using a theremin, or simply uses one? Lots of artitst listed at
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for including a theremin? (That is, that they have been noted in multiple published sources for that fact, and are not included because someone looked through the liner notes of their CDs until they found one which included a theremin?)
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feature a theremin. That leaves the Third Eye Blind, Tripping Daisy, and All-American Rejects recordings. What exactly do you think would be the use of adding these to the series of representative examples already included in
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Owing to the fact that the Theremin is such a rare instrument, its use in a (notable) song contributes to the significance of the Theremin, which is the list topic. The list therefore qualifies under the quoted criterion. —
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This article is a link farm. There are thousands of recordings that feature the theremin and such an open-ended topic invites everyone that makes a theremin noise on a track to post a link here.
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Why shouldn't we have a list of songs featuring slide whistles? If it's rare for a song to include slide whistles, a list of such songs (referenced and accurate) would be a good list to have.
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article, but being separate it does not add any clutter etc, i.e. it's no harm to anyone but useful to some. While I prefer merge to delete, staying separate seems most appropriate to me. --
680:. There are not many decent lists on Knowledge (XXG); this is one of the few. Referenced, defined, non-arbitrary scope, small enough to be manageable, topic of both note and interest. 104: 99: 701:
We wouldn't have an entry for "List of songs featuring slide whistles" or bongo drums or any musical instrument for that matter. But since this list is small, notable songs can be
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of songs/recordings. How do we address that, would the list then be useful, and how does this all relate to the existence/non-existence of a "List of songs featuring a guitar"?
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The theremin is no longer a rare instrument, and it is no longer rare for a song to be recorded using one. Take a look at the (extremely, and happily, incomplete) list of
423:. "The theramin is a relatively rare instrument" is a subjective judgement call, and categorizing songs by what instruments they feature is a violation of 528:: it is quite a long list, and yet it contains only bands whose WP articles mention theremin use. If this article was properly done, it would include 283:
there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic.
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It seems to be that being a separate article is a better place for an article like this, since one might argue that this is redundant info for the
407:. A theramin is a rare-ish instrument to use, so it is noteworthy and useful for readers to know which songs contain it. But perhaps merge with 454:, so, together with the external links there, a reader interested in finding theremin music has some good information here at WP to help them. 631:
had started the article, I would be much happier to see my information merged than deleted. What's 30 or so more words to an article? --
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featuring a theremin (since any song can be performed in a vast number of arrangements, with a variety of different instrumentations).
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in using a theremin. Such recordings are still rare (and seems like they're actually becoming rarer with time). --
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theme), featured a theremin in the versions used on the show (the link in the article's footnote is to some guy's
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Thus my proposition to merge. There are seven songs on the list, nine if you include the other two. The article
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
267:- The criterion is not that arbitrary since theremin is a relatively rare instrument. Is properly sourced. -- 333:
Because that's what Timwi is claiming gives justification to the existence of the list, as he wrote above.
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I guess i would merge them more on principal. Some editor took the time to find this information.
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an encyclopedia is not the place to categorize songs by the instruments used in the production
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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per omtay. Not "loosely associated list" as the theremin is a highly unusual instrument.
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Can you provide references that these recordings (not songs, as Deor notes below) are
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be useful to a reader and the article already has great places to put the info in. --
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would not be so overwhelmed if we add in these few songs, right? --
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as nonnotable intersection of topics. And it isn't even a list of
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if several people already have showed support for the nominator...
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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because, according to the same page the nominator is linking to,
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as per above, possibly merge with parent; it contains real
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I can find no evidence that the first item in the list (
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It won't get any more complete if it gets deleted. --
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Jaranda

19:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
DRV
Xoloz
20:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
List of songs featuring a theremin
List of songs featuring a theremin
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
directory of loosely associated topics
Otto4711
17:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Romanski
18:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Kkissinger
16:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Propaniac
17:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:PERNOM

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