446:. It seems to me that the theremin used to be rare, but they are very easy to get nowadays, with a number of companies selling them, either ready-to-play or in kit form, and so there are many, many musicians experimenting with them and incorporating them into their music. This list would eventually grow unmanageable, and at the same time it is not a very useful resource. Should we list every song by
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as having used theremins seem like artists who just happen to have used a theremin on some of their songs. Certainly The Pixies, Phish, The
Flaming Lips, Jean Michel Jarre and The Damned (for instance) do not "specialize" in using a theremin, do they? Can you elaborate on this notion of "the idea"?
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I don't understand what you mean by "the idea". Where is this idea stated? How are editors to know that this is "the idea"? How does one know if a band "specializes" in using a theremin, or simply uses one? Lots of artitst listed at
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feature a theremin. That leaves the Third Eye Blind, Tripping Daisy, and All-American
Rejects recordings. What exactly do you think would be the use of adding these to the series of representative examples already included in
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Theremin is such a rare instrument, its use in a (notable) song contributes to the significance of the Theremin, which is the list topic. The list therefore qualifies under the quoted criterion. —
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This article is a link farm. There are thousands of recordings that feature the theremin and such an open-ended topic invites everyone that makes a theremin noise on a track to post a link here.
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Why shouldn't we have a list of songs featuring slide whistles? If it's rare for a song to include slide whistles, a list of such songs (referenced and accurate) would be a good list to have.
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of songs/recordings. How do we address that, would the list then be useful, and how does this all relate to the existence/non-existence of a "List of songs featuring a guitar"?
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The theremin is no longer a rare instrument, and it is no longer rare for a song to be recorded using one. Take a look at the (extremely, and happily, incomplete) list of
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It seems to be that being a separate article is a better place for an article like this, since one might argue that this is redundant info for the
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