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205:, and East Asian cultural subjects. Given the comprehensive information on German Knowledge (XXG), I'm convinced that the creator of the list is a German expert in Chinese medicine and food therapy. The list is correctly compiled by period and each entry is carefully chosen. Actually I intended to create a list of historical Korean culinary books, so I can easily accumulate the list. I once saw a similar list written all in Chinese on Chinese medicine sites, but could not find it this time. However, English sources can be easily found because of the notability that the subject has. If somebody asks me about what the 211:, Confucian studies, other poetry works have something to do with cuisine, I'd say those refers to not only foods, but also eating habits, and historical contexts. Some of books even refer to foreign dishes. At a first glance, the list filled with unintelligable Chinese characters had no reference and no information, but the nominator is a native speaker of Chinese, so he can easily detect what each entry means. However, he nominated it to be deleted. He also tried to PROD 528:- Any type of historical list comprised of 100s of years of materials needs to be kept. A list does not have to resemble an article. There is no rule in wikipedia that says lists are not allowed. If people want examples of unenyclopedic lists, just type "list of" at the search box and watch the huge drop down list of stuff having no importance that doesn't get challenged. 241:(especially when there's a category designed just for this purpose, and contains far more entries than that one). Also isn't it a little generalizing if you assume that Chinese can always be understood? It's a language like any other, and fragments of text on articles with a nonsensical title is... very hard to understand. 279:
Now you're just confusing me with a completely unrelated article. What I was trying to say was that the original article was completely redundant and offered no useful information besides a generic picture. The Spanish dishes list complements the category very well, while this (and the Chinese dishes
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Article is a scattered list of sources (nearly all of which are red links) for some generic Chinese cuisine articles. Looks completely useless; sources would have long been added into a references section in whatever articles that used this list, and the list is completely vague as to what exactly it
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Listing over two thousand years worth of historical documents that exist, which mention a specific topic, is clearly encyclopedic. The fact that the English wikipedia doesn't have articles for all the Chinese historical documents, thus the reason for the many red links, is not a valid reason to try
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I haven't even said anything about that in the deletion rationale. Lately it seems you've just been posting the same message at a list-related AfD instead of actually reading the reasons why it was posted. What do red links and blue links even have to do with this discussion (I did mention it, but
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I don't confuse you at all. I see many potentials from the list of Chinese dishes as it is. The list of Spanish dishes started from "zero" but has a good shape (still needs more references though). A small improvement by editors can turn a seemingly useless article into a valuable article. I just
547:- It is an interesting time line of culinary history that has potential. Let Caspian work on this, lists are her forte. Being in East Asia, she has better access to reliable, secondary sources on the subject than us in the West and can make this a viable list in short order. -- 568:- An encyclopedic article listing precious sources of Chinese culinary history. The importance of this article should be clear to all editors, not just those active in editing articles on Chinese cuisine. 92: 87: 606:, but I saw a potential, so expanded. But if the nominator still thinks that the article is redundant of the pertinent category, well, I suggest him to rethink about purposes of lists and categories-- 96: 79: 488:
section that I expanded today? The list is not just a tool for generating blue links. The list is also a timetable to show the Chinese culinary history and flow. This can be compared with
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list) only provide redundant information and nothing much more useful besides that. And I really doubt it's possible to convey much more useful information.
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want to say deleting is not always a right solution. Do you think the current article in question still has no valuable information?--
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Seeing what you've contributed to it, I'm more neutral now. I'll leave this up to the other editors and see what the result is.
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sources. In fact, it doesn't seem to be a list of sources at all, just random articles that are hardly related to each other.
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Useful list that could be a navigational guide and be references for history of Chinese cuisine-related articles.--
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OK it is looking like it could make a valid list article in it self. I had rejected the speedy delete earlier.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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More I add and read sources, more I get to realize that the list has very valuable information to not only
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I update the list by expanding contents and sourcing with reliable references. Please see the progress.--
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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As much as I tried to, I couldn't make any sense about this article or the other one,
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Bartlett above says 'if it gets blue links'. It is not all about GraYoshi2x.
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Otherwise if it gets blue links it could become part of a portal.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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that wasn't my main point at all)? That just plain confuses me.
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I thought you would withdraw the nomination at this stage.--
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too, but I think it has more potential than the latter.--
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
non-admin closure
Ron Ritzman
talk
00:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
List of sources of Chinese culinary history
List of sources of Chinese culinary history
edit
talk
history
protect
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View log
GraYoshi2x►
22:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Whpq
talk
17:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Caspian blue
13:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Caspian blue
23:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Chinese cuisine
Chinese medicine

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