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2053:- This AfD will be open for a week, barring a hasty close. It's pretty clear that the majority opinion is that the article should not exist, at least not in its current form. 404, i'd like to work with you to bring it up to a higher standard. This will necessitate culling many of the items in the list as they now stand, and finding sources that attest to the notability of others. I'd like the closing admin to consider the article in its final state, rather than its current one, when judging the rationales given above. 1783:, and your plea for reddit users to come stack this discussion took the form of "Help! Cranky Knowledge (XXG) editor trolls are trying to destroy good clean fun!". None the less— there is nothing about "internet rights" to even discuss here. Don't fall for the drivel pushed out by worthless "news" organizations on slow news days. This kind of information exists all over Knowledge (XXG) in the appropriate articles already, and there is absolutely no danger of any of it being removed. 2419:). Referencing items to some kind of relevant review is just an attempt to avoid the OR tag, and is not going to work because there is no established procedure in the arts for assessing plot twists: someone will write an article and comment on a plot simply to fill space, so some plots could be included or excluded purely by chance. Lists should be restricted to those with at least a hope of objective inclusion criteria (for example, winners of a particular award). 1225:, as stated above— it's an indiscriminate list in that there isn't an objective criteria for inclusion which doesn't span practically all fiction. The useful purposes of this article could be better addressed using a category or a collection of categories (E.g. "Films with surprise endings"). To whatever extent a useful, well cited, objectively selected article of this kind could exist it wouldn't benefit from this article as a starting point. -- 2015:. There are many spoilers that have become notable in their own right, meaning they have been the subject of discussion in reputable media apart from general discussion of the film/novel/whatever. That's not indiscriminate. The Mousetrap spoiler is the great example. You could probably write a well-sourced article just on that spoiler and the controversy over it. I say merge because with such a criterion, the list might actually be 1539:. Changing my vote based on the progress the article has made. I can see how this could become a useful, encyclopedic source of information, but I also fear it would be a constant, neverending duel between the "only independently notable, cited examples" people and the "everyone knows about it, so it's notable!" people. In the past 24 hours, that battle has already started shaping up, and given that I think the purpose could 1787:
make for a good justification. If this was the only way that 'spoilers' existed in Knowledge (XXG), I might argue that it simply isn't worth having them at all. I'd suggest taking this article to TV Tropes since it already imitates their organizational style far more than it does Knowledge (XXG)'s— but really the writing there is far better than this article is, or really, better than it could ever hope to be. --
1090:- There is a need for some people to peruse all notable spoilers in a single repository. It is quite unreasonable to create a "spoiler" section on every single Knowledge (XXG) article, nor is it reasonable to create a spoiler page for each article. As compiling this list would be a monumental task and would take the efforts of many researchers, there is no better place for this than with Knowledge (XXG). 69: 2036:- Even ignoring the fact that this list could potentially stretch on forever, this particular article serves no purpose besides aggregating individual unrelated plot twists that would make more sense to be listed on their own pages. There are a ridiculous number of plot twists in each book on its own, in addition to the major plot twist. Leave the plot twists on their own pages. -- 1420:, stupid as this sounds, just research the internet. You haven't given people the chance to flesh out the article with citations yet. As for proof, just go to Google.com, start typing "List of spoilers" or "List of plot twists" and you will see that Google will try to autocomplete those phrases for you. That means many people are looking precisely for this list. 1462:, it was not created as an article as far as I can tell… and even if it were, that would have been an obvious mistake. It's not article material, it's Knowledge (XXG) navel gazing though amusing wikipedia navel gazing. Perhaps you should spend a little more time getting to know Knowledge (XXG) before you begin with the all-caps bold-text assertions? -- 1651:- how about this as an objective value of significance/notability? "Some of these plot twists have been referenced so much that they have become in themselves accepted terms or memes, and have become part of pop culture." The fact that a number of these plot twists have become part of culture is proof of their significance and notability. 2394:. There is some commonality and overlap among the listings. Such published selective listings of particularly annoying spoilers, wherein a literary killjoy gives away the silly plot twists and "SHOCKING ENDINGS" that motivate a certain mediocre genre of play, book or movie, support this article. (edited after finding some such listings) 2164:
clearly indicates that spoilers and/or plot twists may have great notability, and so this article adds value by assisting readers in navigation to these cases, if they don't mind the risk. If particular entries are unsatisfactory then they may be dealt with by ordinary editing and deletion would be unhelpful and contrary to our
1566:. At present, this is attempting to be "a list of everything that has ever existed" within a large realm. There's clearly no effort to constrain this to a specific notable subset; this is a bunch of people submitting witty comments about a random bunch of movies. There's no point in trying to salvage this. -- 1068:
The issue is not that I'm too lazy to "do it myself", it's that a lot of what is entering into the article is at worst a fabrication, at best a joke, and it needs to be removed completely. If I was lazy I wouldn't be addressing the issue by contributing here and elsewhere; I'd just be ignoring it. --
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What is my problem is that this article continues getting expanded with increasingly irrelevant entries while your promise of taking care of the citations of the article is increasingly broken. It is every Wikipedian's responsibility to ensure that everything on Knowledge (XXG) is properly sourced.
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I din't suggest merely wikifying. If you think that the subject matter would be better treated as a "list of notable spoilers", then let's rename and adjust the list accordingly. Deleting a two hour-old article by a newcomer when there is salvageable content in it strikes me as bitey and counter to
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I doubt anyone disagrees that some plot twists are notable on their own, but why isn't the response to that a discussion about them in the articles you mentioned? What informative value does a great big list offer when those articles exists and provide a framework for a comprehensive discussion of
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If anything this list does a disservice to the most compelling argument related to "spoilers": that we can't have a complete encyclopaedia coverage of a subject without divulging these critical details. By failing to be especially informative, encyclopaedic, or even accurate this lulzy list doesn't
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There's a technical difficulty here. I started reading the article then realised that it was going to spoil works which I have not read or viewed yet. This makes it difficult to improve the article within the timescale of AFD - one has to approach the matter indirectly. The recent Mousetrap case
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should be deleted. How was that article different from "a list of trivia"? As mentioned before, there is a need to list down notable plot twists in a single repository. For people looking for this kind of data, it would be difficult to scour every single article for plot twists. This entry would be
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404, while I agree that the list has value, some of the items on it will need to come off. Only those which can be reliably sourced as being "notable" would be able to stay. Thus, "Snape kills Dumbledore" would be notable because of the coverage it has received in mainstream press, while some of
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spoilers and covered spoilers which have received some notoreity of their own. For example, the fact that Vader is Luke's father, and the twist to The Sixth Sense have probably received enough independent coverage to be seen as 'famous spoilers'. Even then, though, they would be better off simply
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All these presently here can certainly be sourced by secondary sources not just as being plot elements, but as being notable surprise endings. A few dozen more could easily be added. If it becomes a few hundred, no harm will be done, as long as they are properly referenced-- NOT PAPER. It is a
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The current article is definitely improved. That article in 'TheAge' is exactly the kind of source that is needed if this concept is ever to work. My concern remains that this kind of source is hard to find, and most editors will not bother, meaning this article will either stay very short and
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Actually, 404 didn't make the "plea" you reference, I did. When I first saw the article, I thought it was jocular, but that there was salvageable content. Deleting it simply because it does not, in its current form, conform to our standards seemed to me, and still does, to be short-sighted.
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has a very clear and definite scope and criteria, and is a list recorded by an recognised authority. This article does not have a clear and definite scope (what defines a twist?), the criteria for inclusion appears to be entirely POV (what makes a twist notable?), and there is no recognised
2228:. Some plot twists (and spoilers about them) are not just relevant in the context of the movie/whatever that contains them, but are also notable on their own just for being a remarkable plot twist, with reliable sources and references in popular culture. We could merge this list into 677:
This page is an attempt to list the most significant & notable spoilers in media, literature & history. It is not an indiscriminate list, nor is it random. Such an article deserves existence, and if there are things wrong with the list, it can be remedied by proper editing.
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on principle - potentially endless list even if confined to cinema, but especially impossible if you do what it says and include twists from 19th, 20th, 21st century literature, computer games, comic books, an other "various media". At best, you could Merge the existing with
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I don't know. While that would be a marked improvement, I still think the overall list would suffer from POV issues, scope, etc. I find myself more compelled by the argument that the information belongs in the relevant article about that work, such as the movie or book.
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Benvewikilerim, you would do your case more good if you could avoid adding joke entries. IMHO, this only serves to reinforce my feeling that making this article useful, and then keeping it useful, well-sourced and vandalism-free is going to be well-nigh impossible.
1518:. This could be a very useful starting point for a (set of) category(ies) encompassing these topics, but as an article it lacks any coherent criteria for inclusion, is almost entirely uncited, and seems to be focused on lulzy wording rather than encyclopedic info. 2300:
I think this article is notable and has encyclopedic qualities. Here is your criteria: the fiction work is notable as it has its own article and more than one reliable source labels it as a spoiler. Categories are great as well to provide improved navigation per
1032:- "List of notable plot twists" is not a useful encyclopedia article. It sounds like a bad "In popular culture" section expanded to fill an entire article. And each list entry would have to be cited with a source showing its notability. Not worth it. -- 2545:
Not sure what real value this has, and its also a huge spoiler space. But at the saem time its not more trivial then a lot of silly lists. I think I lean towards delete but only becasue this seems to be a list of massive spoilers that has no eclyclopedic
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It is disappointing when people blather about "It is all original research" and ignore the citations I provided above showing reliable sources with listings of notable spoilers, which can be used to support the commonly listed notable spoilers.
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Agreed. Some of the items on this list (the snape kills dumbledore affair, for instance) are clearly spoilers, whereas others are plot twists. The two should be in separate lists/articles, should those individual articles merit creation.
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Is that a serious comment? "Knowledge (XXG) is not an indiscriminate collection of information" _Maybe_ even thoguh it's not listed as an example. We're not defining spoilers, we're listing spoilers. 00:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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Why should I spend my time researching something that you already claim to know the answer to? You claim that people have a use for this, but can't point to anything except a vague "search the internet." Google auto-completes
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perfectly reasonable function of an encyclopedia to provide this material.If someone wishes to prepare such a list without giving away the ending, that's fine too, but it wouldn't belong on Knowledge (XXG).
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Note: Even though this "isn't a vote", you still can't !vote twice. If your comment is in response to someone, simply reply underneath their comment. If it's a general comment, just preface it with
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the others may not. A stylistic rewrite is in order, but I see this article as a good-faith creation, that has some value to the project and could be turned into an article that meets our standards.
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incomplete or (more likely) slowly revert to being full of jokes, nonsense and a potentially infinite list of plot twists with no meaningful sources. My current preference would still be to simply
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Funny you should say that, because this is terribly unencyclopedic. An article like "List of significant plot twists" might be good but not this. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 14:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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If this is the case, then you need to demonstrate it through reliable, independent sources. This would be a better use of your time than continuing to add yet more unsourced examples. --
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It is my honest belief that there is a need for a centralized repository/catalogue of this kind of content and said repository page will outgrow those two articles above mentioned by
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A 'spoiler' is really just a significant plot detail , so this article is no more than a potentially infinite list of indiscriminate plot details which, I firmly believe, breaches
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Indeed, and to further clarify what I was driving at, revealing a plot twist to someone who wasn't aware is almost always a spoiler, but a spoiler is not always a plot twist. –
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of poorly sourced information. If this page does remain after the AfD then I strongly feel that no 'twist' should appear without a decent source establishing the notability of
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It's all a matter of proper writing style and citation then. Give the article time to be fleshed out. It's not easy to finish it in the span of a few hours, you know.
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Please do not delete this article. These spoilers are very significant spoilers. I've just started the article, so bear with me, still editing it to be a good article.
2389: 2567:. Doesn't that have many of the exact same issues for Keep/Delete comments being discussed here? I think list of notable plot twists has mostly the same problems as 1299:- Almost every work of fiction has some detail that could be considered a "plot twist", otherwise it would be boring and predictable. This is just a list of trivia. 816:
I know you don't like the article. You nom'd it after 28 minutes of existence and 12 edits. I think we should give it time and energy, flesh it out and improve it.
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I wasn't clear, I realise. If this was treated as a "list of notable spoilers" then I would see more justification for it, but I would still propose merging it with
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page outside of the main namespace. Knowledge (XXG) internal amusement and navigational aids are not subject to the same criteria as encyclopedia articles. --
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which has about 200,000 entries. It is our policy that we are not paper nor do we have a deadline and so there is no limit to our ambition in principle.
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The article and its reddit post were mentioned on IRC, which is how I found the article and its AFD, but no one has asked/told me to vote in any way here.
1907:. Unmaintainable list that could go into the thousands of entries. Uncited. Unclear criteria for inclusion (what makes a twist "notable"??). Essentially 1765:
for example. So really, there is more to the creation of this article than just internet lulz and is also about internet rights. What do you guys think?
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Agree with Xeno - if it looked like the page xe links, this article would have a fighting chance to be encyclopedic, useful information worth keeping.
1265:, a useful addition to the topic of plot twists. Also, as the article has been renamed, half the comments here (for or againsst) are no longer valid. — 232: 1990:
where lots of IP users keep removing sourced info and adding unsourced info, I fear this has no chance of actually meeting guidelines. It should go.
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Your problem would be solved by the suggestion to make this a category, and this would still assist readers in navigating to these cases
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The family of Agatha Christie has criticised Knowledge (XXG) for revealing the ending of The Mousetrap, the world’s longest running play.
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isn't an article. Its a link to a list in the Knowledge (XXG) namespace. The redirect probably should be deleted as an inappropriate
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an invaluable resource. There is no better way to create such an article/repository than with Knowledge (XXG) and its contributors.
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List of trivia. If these spoilers are notable in some way, they would be better covered in the relevent film/book/game/etc. article.
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which you proudly brandish in your personal user page deserving of a Knowledge (XXG) entry when it is simply a directory of people (
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That's not your problem. If you don't want to do it yourself, then let the people contributing to the article take care of that.
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It isn't "all a matter of proper writing style and citation", though the improvement of that isn't helped by your edit warring
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Other than that it's got one of the better-known and well-regarded plot twists (and plots, generally) of video games? –
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is a redirect out of articlespace. And too many of those are either subjective or the result of original research.
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be served almost as well by a set of categories, I'm not sure if keeping the article would end up being worth it.
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
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If each entry were reliably sourced (and a source that spoke to the notability of the twist), would it be ok? –
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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at all. There is a need to compile a list of these. Will add article citations to remedy this. Acceptable?
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exists, I'm not sure why anyone would want to list all of them outside of their respective articles.
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has strong criteria for inclusion -- I can't see how you would come up with similar criteria here.--
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These are the most discussed plot twists in the entirety of the internet. These do not fall under
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As a point of order, a 'spoiler' is when someone reveals a plot twist. There's not many notable
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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If so, I think it's funny that that mention of The Mousetrap wasn't added until much later
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Agree. You haven't given it enough time to be fleshed out properly. Now renamed as per
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I actually began the article as a semi-reaction to the recent major media brouhaha by
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which lists six top spoilers amidst a discussion of why people object to spoilers,
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Agatha Christie’s family criticise Knowledge (XXG) for revealing Mousetrap ending
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and as a collection of trivia. Certain parts of the article appear to be a joke.
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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Fleshing it out is not the issue. Either way, I can see this remaining simply
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This is not trivia. This is a list of spoilers. How is this different from
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What principle is this? We have some enormous lists already such as the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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There's been a number of discussions on it on the internet like
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which lists five top spoilers in a discussion of spoilers, and
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to start with. This is trivial and has no chance of not being
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left on this AFD. Do note Throwaway's comments to you above. –
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among Knowledge (XXG) contributors. Knowledge (XXG) has
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is perhaps the most known example, but also the one of
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Comment If someone can find magazine articles or books
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Category:Wikipedians in the Article Rescue Squadron
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List of spoilers
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policies and guidelines
consensus
assume good faith
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single-purpose accounts
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canvassed
canvassed
sockpuppetry
csm
csp
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