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with a few user opinions, while dozens of people contributed that article. That is not fair at all. Also for specific articles like comics, manga, films, technology, politics etc. it might be good to take opinion on focused users. It wouldn't take more than 5 minutes for the nominator anyway. On the other hand if the objecting users notify projects etc. it brings CANVAS issue. You may claim people should watchlist or watchlist AFD discussions, why and how people can manage thousands of articles in their watchlist daily in the assumption that someone will AFD one day without their notice. That is not effective at all.
1552:. Certainly some, or even most, of these should be deleted, but I don't have time to evaluate them all individually. I do think that the nominator has made a good choice about how to distinguish inappropriate and potentially appropriate lists. That said, some of these may have potential and should be userfied if anyone wants to use them as a basis for further work as or as a help in finding sources for a topic.
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I misunderstood your initial post, Kasalaan. To me it sounded like you were saying something like, "You mean you only told WikiProject Comics? Pfff!" but I obviously inferred sarcasm where none was intended. Nevertheless, I do not agree with you that AfDs need to be cleared with the various relevant
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I'm not familiar with how TvTropes works, does it create articles similarly to
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Don't worry happens. I just suggested we might notify 1-2 more. Well it should be stressed more strictly in the policy. I will try to ask a policy focus on AFD process. Creating articles really takes time. AFD nominating/debating shouldn't be too easy and swift. Sometimes they even delete articles
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in these lists would be very difficult. The lists have got to go but the
Categories, if we shorten their names, can keep navigation easy for people who want to find correlations within their favorite characters. I believe it can survive as Categories, but to place them back into the many articles
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How about all of them? I've already gone through about half of the lists and removed entries that do not have stand-alone articles. This has cut many of lists down by half if not more. Just because there is a blue link doesn't mean that the entry has a corresponding article. And the fact that you
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So why does he not deserve to be on the list? During an active AFD, you went through without proper discussion or consensus, and deleted more than half of the content of these articles. Whether a character has information in their own article, a character list, or just a paragraph in the main
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The powers are what makes the characters notable, that what the series is about. If people started buying millions of comic books and cartoons that just had average people riding bicycles around all day, that'd be a notable defining characteristic and would be fine for its own list. And some
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insufficient reliable sources independent of the subject, original research and verifiability problems are rife. No reliable sources -- I'll note that many superheroes have one power in one carnation, but in other story arcs do not. It's a mess, basically, better suited to a fansite (wikia
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We can merge all tables into 1 article, with collapsiple table/text features. Then it won't take much space, don't fork much, and all info will be available within 1 article. If some people agree I can do that by myself.
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