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if they were notable. Over the last few days, I revisited my first 2000 AfD (2006-8). At the time, I often !voted delete for schools and other local institutions. The results, however, were essentially random. I looked at other school AfDs, and again the results seem random. It depended to some extent on what sources were easy to find on the web at the time, but much more upon who happened to participate in the discussion. I need to analyze them further, but it is my impression that about 60% of the larger and longer established schools were kept, and about 40% of the smaller and newer ones, with a special bias against outside the US/UK/Canada.
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643:: "if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." KMC listing: significant coverage: No (only in a listing of schools), Independent: Yes (government posting of private school), Reliable: Yes (government website), Secondary: Yes (government website), Pass: 0 (Fail, can't count towards ORGCRIT) "A single-sentence mention in an article about another company"
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Again, only shows existence, not notability. It's in a list, so redirect to the list. If someone has the research to find non-print sources for the school, they can develop it in the draft article. If they have the sources presentable to here, post it, and we'll look again.
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