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Magfest from editing this article directly and were hoping that someone would eventually come along and clean it up. However when I saw the page was up for deletion today, I added those sources
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In the article itself, the only sources are a con directory of dubious reliability, recaps from people who were there and primary sources. The article has been tagged for primary sources since 2007, but none have been forthcoming. Every source I found was primary, press release, fluff or trivial —
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There do seem to be lots of hits on Google News, but almost all of them amount to "Such and such will be at MAGfest". The rest are just press releases from things like Anime News
Network. One source was suggested on the page in 2007, but it turns out it's just a fluff piece from a local newspaper.
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Magfest organizers, Dom). Also, in the future, if any of our bands/guests etc hijack the page to plug their own stuff, we'll definitely remove it as soon as we find out about it. We have a compilation of our
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