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Holy crap, do you see how many articles there are within this category? MS-05A is a tiny article that doesn't seem to have much value, but RX-75 and RX-77 are huge articles, and check out the large chart at the bottom of those 2 pages before casting a vote! At this point, I have to think the only
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