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rationale of deleting the material in the first place (on apparently accurate grounds, I confess, ie "Knowledge (XXG) isn't legal advice, period"). However, I see your point in some ways: this has resulted in massive edit wars... I am not sure how AfFing articles that are patently viable helps though? These articles could be expanded to explain the history and usage/abusage etc of these passports. Indeed many no longer fit your stated reasons for AfD, including the top nominated article, precicely because they
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1080:. Why not just rename the articles instead of moving 90% of them somewhere else? And I don't see why mentioning that all Mongolian citizens must have a passport at a certain age, and whatnot, shouldn't be done on the same page as the Visa information. I say, merge that information all back together.
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Now that the distraction of unrelated graphics have been moved to more appropriate homes, these stubs are much more likely to attract constructive edits. They were very intimidating before as they bore no relation to what they should have been contained. Whats the pressing hurry? Already some of
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A one sentence article is still a one sentence article no matter how much table formatting follows it. The visa policy of Chad as applied to Yemeni citizens has nothing to do with the physical document issued by Yemen as the Yemeni passport. Do not discuss this here, return to
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I think that the nominator is right that these articles don't do anything other than to state the obvious ("The ______ Passport is an international travel document that is issued to __________ citizens"). If that's all you have to say, don't bother.
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which seems to be an improper fork as it has been created by cut-paste from this article without proper attribution of the original author in accordance with our copyright licence. No deletion should take place until this mess is resolved properly.
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