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That staff listing is an aggregate listing of people who has submitted reviews and blogs for the website and the credibility and expertise of many of these people are unknown. Sure Don
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That is to say pass or failure of pornbio (this person in my opinion clearly does not but i don't care to argue about it) is no guarantee that something should be included (or conversely, excluded). What should guide us is the existence/absence of independent, high quality in-depth sources such that
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Which reference did you see it in? The closest reference from the article I found was "And the 1980s are exactly what director Will Ryder had in mind when he created what many are predicting will become the most successful interracial sex movie ever." This reference is also a press release on a site
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clarifies just how this works and shares exceptions and applications. I have patiently asked questions in trying to determine if I should support deletion or not. You attacks against a group of 347 contributors and assumptions of bad faith encourage a battlefield mentality, and as such are
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Indeed... and after the recent and stressful RFA, I am loathe to offer anything that does not seem at least worth considering. So where and how might we determine just how credible their editoral processes might be? Or determine the credentials or expertise of Don
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X-Critic and ADT reviews are consumer based - similar to a review on Amazon. Rogreviews is self-published, although Rog is considered an expert reviewer. AVN reviews are trivial in depth. None of the reviews can establish whether the movie is groundbreaking, iconic, or blockbuster status.
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is on you to show that the film is the "most successful interracial sex movie ever". You haven't done it by giving me a press release that states a prediction. I haven't said anything about whether the source is false, just that it is a press release. Thepornoreporter is a
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Ahuh. Thepornoreporter is also a blog so I am not sure what your point is? If I go through my deleted folder in my email box and find that press release, you probably would still ask for more proof.
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Where does The Porno
Reporter say that it's a blog? From what I can tell, it doesn't say that anywhere. If you are going to make a statement that a source is false, you need to prove it.
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Notability is not inherited. The standard ARS tactic of refbombing with rote google searches is depreciated. There's no coverage of the actor in any of your googlespam.
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the construction of a neutral, verifiable, and proper encyclopedia biography could be written on a living person. Such sources do not exist in this case.
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