976:-- We have a number of article on micronations. These are a curiosity, where some one has decided to declare independence for a small part of another country. The question is how far most are notable. The fact that it may have featured in a lcoal paper may go nowhere, since they are included to print almost anything they get sent as a press release, since it fills theri columns at little cost. In this case the article does not even suggest independecne has even been claimed. I think the answer is that most are NN and should thus not be allowed articles.
334:- Excuse me, you obviously have no knowledge in the subject and therefor your view is also "nonsense", look through the articles on micronationalism, you will see it is a tounge in cheek subject. This article has as much right as any other.This subject has been given coverage in an independent publication. Regardless of the tone in which it was covered, the subject has been covered nonetheless by an independent third-party source. "Nonsense" or not, this subject has a notable reference.
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has a four-page profile in Lonely Planet's guide to micronations, which is a pretty strong claim to notability, and it's still under deletion discussion. Monovia, as far as I could see, was not mentioned in that book. No double-standard, just two different micronations. The list is a list of
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825:- Thats me dude, I forgot to login. I'm Harry (you'll see on my user-page xD) It's causing too much trouble, and I can see the reasons behind deleting it. Though as we have had newspaper articles wrote about us, and met the Deputy PM of the UK (
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