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225:"The guy is a great football player" - not really establishing notability there. The draft is in a month, *if* he does get picked, then what is the issue with creating the article then? The same situation occurs with music single articles, they get deleted until the single charts, regardless of if it is almost certain of charting, or only a few days before it does so. The same logic must apply here. 922:
requested to be speedy deleted and 30 minutes after that sent to AfD but never once tagged to request more sources or notability, or PRODded saying it doesn't appear to meet notability, leaves me with the suggestion that it be kept for now and tagged requesting better sourcing. But that's just my opinion.
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it is very much in our hands. We can decide whether or not we want to apply the GNG even for subjects that would otherwise be totally non-notable in any rational way. We collectively make the policy here, and the guidelines, and decide on the interpretations, and when to make exceptions.The GNG is
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is used as a reason for deletion. That's the "catch-all" that says if a person played in a professional game, then he/she is inherently notable. I don't believe it's purpose is to exclude people from being "notable". I do like when WP:ATHLETE is used as both a pro-keep and pro-delete argument in
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I'll ask you then, if Trent is injured and never plays in an NFL game, is he notable? If we say he's notable now, he's notable forever. I think he falls into the case where he's only a starter on a Division I FBS team. There are currently thousands of those and historically tens of thousands of
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Sorry, but having news articles written about you should not be the basis for inclusion in this encyclopdia. College football players are going to have mentions in the local papers, that's the way it is. But they still aren't "famous", or necessarily accomplished in their sport (Trent is not) and
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Yes. Really. Notability guidelines state "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.". Seven sources, all discussing the person, have been linked in this
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If the coverage is not significant enough that a V, NPOV, NOR article can be written, then I agree with you; and you may be right in this case. I did a cursory search and there appeared to be a variety of sources so that combined with the fact that one minute after creation, this article was
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I disagree to some extent. For special cases, I can agree. But for something as common as this (Big 10 football starter) we should be going with a generic set of rules. We can rewrite WP:Athlete or something. But until then, I think decisions involving large numbers of articles should be
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those. I think a person has to establish more notability than just being a "starter". From what I can tell, he's never won a conference player of the week award. Regardless, the article should be expanded upon. As it reads now, I see no notability established. —
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Per Yankees10, the draft is in a month the guy is a great football player, oh my bad I forgot the old AFD policy of "he plays in college must not be notable, let's delete", then the guy goes onto become a 10 time pro bowler and hall of famer. Keep,
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no apparent awards or notability outside his own college. The recent drastic expansion of notability by the people interested in the subject needs to be discussed by the community in a more general manner. 04:10, 7 March 2009
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they could possibly never really become notable. Trent probably will, since he very well may be drafted and could play in the NFL. But right now, he's certainly not an accomplished enough person to be here.►
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to guide us whether there is a reasonable chance of finding sufficient sources to write an encyclopedic article but if we already know there are likely sufficient sources, we are done; keep it.
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Being a starter in college football should not be the threshold of notability. Some never do anything when they're in college and will just be working day jobs when they're finished.►
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If Trent tears his ACL before the draft and never plays in an NFL game, is he notable? I'm not sure he is. I don't think his college career is enough to warrant notability. —
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What Chris said and there are literally hundreds of these articles all prepared for the draft and they are all great college football players who should have pages anyway.--
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Comment: Why is that an issue if there are adequate sources for an article? If it's not clear that there are not enough sources, then we invoke
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was notable, even though he'd only played in high school up to that point, because he'd met the general guidelines, not because he'd met
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I suspect so. With such a recent creation, I recommend a keep and apply tags requesting additional sources rather than a jump to AfD.
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DoubleBlue, it's so good we can always count on you to blindly follow policy instead of actually thinking about things logically.►
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and lots from a source called "Wolverine Insider") that cover him in detail which would satisfy the notability criteria.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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has a bit. Combined with a large number of school-paper articles and nfl.com, I think this meets WP:N.
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is meaningless in this context. To put it in perspective- before he was drafted by Cleveland,
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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not a divine creation, but a possibly convenient tool, and we can decide when to use it.
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addressed in guideline and policy discussions, not at the individual article level.
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AFD, thus showing his notability. Whether or not he meets the guidelines set out by
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No he's not, and that's key. He currently does not meet notability guidelines.►
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is irrelevant. He meets general notability guidelines, as shown here:
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Seems to be a non notable American Football player, doesn't meet
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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the same AFD. That tells me it's a poorly-written guideline. —
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and others cited above. Apparently a top cornerback prospect.
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Sources above (and the one in the article) meet WP:N.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Juliancolton


00:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Morgan Trent
Morgan Trent
edit
talk
history
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links
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WP:ATHLETE
Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject College football/Notability#Players
Jenuk1985
Talk
22:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
2009 NFL Draft
Yankees10
22:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
WP:CRYSTAL
Jenuk1985
Talk

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