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I'll ask you then, if Trent is injured and never plays in an NFL game, is he notable? If we say he's notable now, he's notable forever. I think he falls into the case where he's only a starter on a
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Sorry, but having news articles written about you should not be the basis for inclusion in this encyclopdia. College football players are going to have mentions in the local papers, that's the way it is. But they still aren't "famous", or necessarily accomplished in their sport (Trent is not) and
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I disagree to some extent. For special cases, I can agree. But for something as common as this (Big 10 football starter) we should be going with a generic set of rules. We can rewrite WP:Athlete or something. But until then, I think decisions involving large numbers of articles should be
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