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read, understand, interpret, collate, select, and summarize information, sometimes conflicting information, contained in multiple reports from at least half a dozen agencies, in order to prepare each memo. This means the memos fully satisfy all the criteria to be considered secondary sources. The OARDEC transcripts are primary sources, the memos are secondary sources. So, without further references, they substantiate that the official position of the DoD was that these camps exist, and this is all that is necessary to justify merging a paragraph, sentence, or list entry into a broader article, and redirecting this article name to the broader article. The reason the Moroccan training camp is not mentioned in the Felter article is because the Felter article was based on a review of the 2004 memos, and the Moroccan camp was described in a memo drafted in 2005.
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of closing admins who closed these AfDs as "delete", lamenting the fact that the proposal has attracted basically no participation since it was created on March 29. Of course, the reason is that nobody here, except for Geo Swan, seems to share his abiding passion for collecting even the most minor and obscure mentions of terrorist training camps in Guantanamo transcripts. By creating this multitude of extremely non-notable "traning camp" articles in mainspace, Geo Swan has created a problem of significant magnitude, and he is not really in the position to complain now that nobody else in the community wants to invest their time and effort in sifting through all this material and trying to make order out of chaos. The only reasonable, the only
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community. Please do not put you personal like and believe over that of the community and the common goal we have. The discussion so far has shown that you are not willing to accept any community consensus or friendly proposal to solve this problem. That has becoume troublesome and disruptive but that is just my personal opinion and i guess you will once more simply disregarding community input and simply stick to your believe. But let me tell you we have policies to block editors who disrupt our work no matter they do it in good faith or bad faith.
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OARDEC does not have a reputation for fact checking nor any other reputation other that of preparing "Kangaroo courts". It does not have an editorial oversight that could guarantee accuracy of their information or a long reputation as newspaper have and as you know it is verified that they where often wrong with their information. That's the reason why we can not use them in a way as we use secondary sources. They can be used as primary sources with all the care we have to take with primary source material.
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one who would be interested to write such an article. So why don't you just give it a try. Give us a break get this article here userfied and write a draft in your user space. Involve the community and let them have a look at your draft and i am sure they will give you helpful comments and might help you to improve on it and then we will see it it will be good enough to be worth to be included into main space. How about that?
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world peace. This theory was widely accepted. The Bush administration continued to maintain it had existed, and just hadn't been located, for years after the invasion. We wouldn't stop covering this arsenal now, just because it didn't exist. And, we shouldn't stop covering these camps, even if their existence were to be disproven.
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s. And I have offered the opinion that merging and redirecting these articles to the individuals alleged to have attended these camps is a dis-service for readers, because the wikipedia's readers should be able to look up a known camp, in the context of a list of all known camps, and compare what is
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Fact checking again: One of your claims is false again. The Felter article included all transcripts including the memos with a/the Moroccan camp(s) we speak about. So you might provide us with another explanation why they choose not to include this presumed camp into their list? As they choose not to
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are completely in line with its central theme, not an out of context misinterpretation. Official government publications are accepted as reliable sources for that government's official positions. They remain reliable sources for that official position, even if that position is challenged, refuted,
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back in March of this year, which he mentions above and in reply to your post, for dealing with this veritable plethora of "training camp" articles. I think he mentions this merge proposal in every training camp related AfD, and at one of the current DRVs, and I have seen him mention it to a number
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I work on controversial topics, and although I take extraordinary steps to comply with NPOV, VER, NOR, and to take civil, specific, good faith feedback into account, I still have these challengers who make these very unpleasant accusations of bad faith, of POV pushing, so I proceed cautiously, show
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Yes primary sources from that low quality as here need a lot of care. To answer your question. That depends on the skills of the editor who would write such an article. That might be difficult and it depends on the skills of the editor who would write such an article. It seems that you are the only
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anymore, so it doesn't really exist, but we have an article on it. Finally, how about Saddam Hussein's vast arsenal of WMD? The Bush administration insisted that Iraq had this vast arsenal of nerve gas, and possibly germ warfare and atomic bombs as well, ready to use, and posing a vast threat to
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The comment above asserts that the OARDEC memos are "primary sources", and can't be cited without further references to back them up. I believe one has to use highly idiosyncratic interpretation of "primary source" and "secondary source" for this argument. The authors of the OARDEC memos had to
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I've already acknowledged that the further references I thought I would find to support this camp having a separate article weren't found. But I maintain it is appropriate to have a broader article cover all the known camps, including the ones for which there are not sufficient references for an
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What you now seem to be suggesting seems extraordinary. What you now seem to be suggesting is that I have to prepare a draft, in user space, of the merging of these articles, and get approval first, before I can move that draft to article space. I am unaware of any other good faith contributor
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the system. Parts of policies cited out of context and with ignoring the underlying spirit of our policies and the aim we have. Sure we work after the principal verifiability not truth. Because we rely on the truth and fact checking of "secondary sources" to write reliable encyclopedic articles.
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I've read this verbose reply and I'm going to make two short points: a) The issue is that "Moroccan training camp" doesn't refer to any specific training camp. It's a vague label, and thus not even an entity. If it pointed to a specific camp, it would be fine, but it isn't. Secondly, it would be
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The phenomenon that alleged attendance at a suspect training camp was used, in part, to justify continued detention in Guantanamo is well documented. Felter et al, at West Point, noted that of the first 516 allegation memos, 181 justified the continued detention of captives, in part, because of
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Is there any reason why you do not want to have the community have a look at the new article before sending it to main space? There are a lot of strong voices in this discussion that do not see any possibility how that could be merged into anything. I think it is just courtesy to work with the
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I did not say you should give merging a try. I said you should agree now to move this article here to your user space and to give it a try to write the article that you have suggested in your user space and...and read above. Could you do that? I think there is very strong consensus here in the
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is an US military body and Guantanamo is run by the US military and the original sources of the informations are unknown but most likely in big chunks produced by the US military itself. OARDEC as well does not have an editorial overboard and zero reputation for fact checking or reputation for
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As I wrote above the Moroccan camp is not mentioned in the Felter paper's list of other camps because the Felter paper was based on a review of memos drafted in 2004, and the Moroccan camp was mentioned in a memo drafted in 2005. Other than calling the 2005 memo a "primary source" no one has
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waste of time and i do not see much progress and effort from your site. Please take your pick and make exactly clear what you want to mere to exactly what article. (It is not that much and we have already agreed on a merge.) I took my pick some time ago and so you should. Time to stop this
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No that is not a "dis-service". It is not up to us to draw associations by clustering minor informations that are based on "primary sources" and where we have secondary sources that contradict our personal conclusions and associations. Do you have another list that mention this camp?? The
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I disagree that respondent above has offered a "long list" of reasons why OARDEC memos should not be considered reliable sources for the official government positions that an alleged association with camps like this one justified holding individual for years of extrajudicial
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You assert that the OARDEC memos can't be considered secondary sources, because they were drafted by DoD personnel. But you make this assertion without citing any wikipolicies. I suggest that who paid the authors is irrelevant to deciding whehter they should be considered
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solution here is to move all these articles from the mainspace into Geo Swan's userspace and let him slowly deal with this material on his own schedule (and if at some point in the future someone else shows up willing to get heavily involved in this as well, then great).
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Libyan camp, etc.. I suggest the authors of these memos genuinely believed they were referring to specific, real camps. In some cases the memos state the city or province where the camp was found. This is perfectly acceptable English for referring to a specific camp.
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Pluralization was not always appropriate in the examples you used. Anyway. I have repeatedly ask you to work towards consensus and i have ask you to make clear what exactly from this article here you want to merge to witch article. See the next section. Please stop
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and disturbing Afd's without showing any attempted to work towards consensus that does not meed his POV. Sorry to point that out but his behavior is so long standing now and so disruptive that we have to point this out and possible deal with it. Once again stop
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The best approach would be to userfy the material, so that the original editor could merge it on his own time schedule (if there's anything worth merging), but that approach only makes sense if the editor agrees to it. I proposed this to the editor, but the
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This is verging on stupidity. Are you trying to tell me, that if someone said in conversation to you "I went to a French school", you would believe they went to a specific school called "French School" ? Please explain how this situation is different.
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with a proposal that the separate articles about most of the camps should be merged. I went on record as acknowledging that I hadn't found additional references to support separate articles for most of these camps. There are lots of
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was regarded as a kooky fringe science theory. If the wikipedia had been around, back then, and we applied the wikipedia's core principles, we would have covered continental drift to the extent it had been written about in the
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has created literally dozens of these "training camp" articles, each one being based on one-two brief mentions of a camp (or a suspected camp) in the Guantanamo Admin Review Board transcripts. Each one manifestly fails
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I answered on your talk page and as said the Report leaves no doubt that memos that mention Moroccan camps were included in their research. So why did they do not mention a Moroccan camp? You dispute that the memo of
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I have shown also above that your claim is false. The Felter papers included these transcripts with the "Moroccan camp(s)". That they do not list a "Moroccan camp" in their paper is proof that we also should not do
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You seem to be saying, above, that you agree that merging the articles on the less well documented camps is not unreasonalbe. Well, for goodness's sake, why then did you nominate a dozen of the related articles for
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If there were a book, or even a newspaper article written about this camp, I would be arguing that it merited a separate article. I would not be arguing it merited being merged and redirected.
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I am mystified why you still want to challenge this point and you repeat your misconception. No the report makes explicit clear that all documents including these one here have been used.
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different if there were books written on the subject of Moroccan training camp, which suggested that it existed. One sentence in a document which may well not be reliable is not enough.
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is irrelevant, according to several of the wikipedia's core policies. Our core policies protect the wikipedia from being over-run by fringe-science kooks, drafting POV articles on "
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Taking the points of the previous respondent, in order, I accept, at face value, that they honestly believe they have offered policy-based arguments that the OARDEC memos are not
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I have brought up a long list of arguments why OARDEC can not come even close to be seen as a secondary source and this claim that has been brought forward by just one editor
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No. That is absolutely wrong. Your claims are almost ridiculous and just repeated false claims without providing serious valid arguments and proof. Where does it say
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I fully agree with Claritas. That the term "Moroccan training camp" is not mentioned in the research paper Geo has provided also supports Claritas argumentation.
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cases have shown recently that many allegations in the memos where actually false. Just a laughable claim that this could even come close to secondary sources.
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The OARDEC memos are low quality primary sources less valuable than court papers. They still can be used in a limited way and with a lot of care.
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These are primary sources and have even lower quality than court papers. These sources can only be used in a limited way and with a lot of care.
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You interpreting me absolutely wrong i do think this article here should be deleted and i strongly believe that there is nothing to merge.
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I am not as big a believer in BOLD, particularly for steps that are harder to undo, than they are to do -- like a big series of merges;
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intended by the authors of the document was that Nayif Abdallah Ibrahim Al Nukhaylan did attend a specific camp, that they called the
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we cite, because, we are not trying to prove things are "true", merely that they are "verifiable". It is completely verifiable that
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coverage dismiss the topic as nonsense, then that is as far as the wikipedia article on the topic should go. If someone claims that
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in the article title??? Sorry but your repeated false claims are simply false. The article text makes clear without any doubt that
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to follow the surface meaning. No offense, but it seems to me that to interpret the sentence the way you interpret it requires an
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WRT the Felter paper being based solely on documents drafted in 2004. I am mystified why you keep repeating this misconception.
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for the DoD's position that there was a Moroccan training camp in Afghanistan, during the Taliban's regime, as the Felter paper.
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is the minor problem here. The problem is that they hardly verify anything in connection of the topic of this article here.
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known about, let's say, the Moroccan training camp, and compare it with the information known about other similar camps.
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had his continued detention justified, at least in part, based on the allegation he attended the "Moroccan training camp".
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and i suggest the creator should "Userfy" it until there are more sources and information. Knowledge (XXG) is not a
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in question says little, not enough for a full article, but enough for a sentence or list entry in a larger article.
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them primary sources doesn't mean they aren't actually completely valid reliable sources -- for the DoD's position.
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allegation memos, and the memo in question was not prepared for his CSR Tribunal, but rather for his first annual
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My problem with a merge is that there's no verifiable information on the camp available. It might not even exist.
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By the way there is only one source in the article. So you might provide refs when speaking about the captive
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my work, and make proposals like the one you kept ignoring. I don't think I owe anyone an apology for that.
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User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/training camps/The Felter memo is only based on the first 516 CSRT allegation memos
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WRT the assertion about which memos the Felter paper reviewed all the memos. Could you please re-read the
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My sentiment exactly. Userfying is the only reasonable option here. As far as I can tell, the same user,
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I should be able to disagree with you without being accused of "filibustering", "gaming the system", etc.
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You write this as if you know it to be an established fact. Sorry, you don't know this. I believe the
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in a verbose way can be a problem. It is hard to learn something if you simply stick to your believes.
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WRT working towards consensus, I am confident my contribution history shows the complete opposite.
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It is not our role to inject our personal opinions into articles. We are supposed to reflect what
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I believe I have already addressed the serious misconception that the memos are "primary sources".
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A Morocan training camp in Jalalabad? I stand corrected that this camp was referred to using an
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As said you are welcome to stick to your believes but it is hard to learn anything if you do so.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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then please identify the specific passage or passages you believe lapse from compliance.
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discussion for that. I am sorry but you do not show any sign of working towards consensus.
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waste of time so people can get back to work. That get's a bit disruptive recently.
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the OARDEC memos primary sources doesn't mean they primary sources. Simply
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or withdrawn. To assert anything else is to support rewriting history.
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This is all fine, but where are you going to merge it to ?
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measured up to our standards, probably decide it did not.
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With this camp, and many of the similar camps, we have
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to that government's official position. Citing those
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I'm answering Geo Swann's question on my talk page.
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