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job and more soap editors need to start helping out if they want these character pages to be kept. At the moment this is just unsourced plot summary, so in order to keep it, independent sources discussing the character and her storylines need to be found. But that shouldn't be too difficult. Soap characters and their actors are often featured in the press. If a storyline is controversial or has a big impact, then it's often reported on by the media. Info on casting, critical commentary, reception, criticism, popularity, popular culture, ratings, character development (from the view of writers, producers and the actor) are all things that could be included to make this comply with policy. I don't watch this soap so I would not be the best person to do the editing, but if any
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I agree with 'IrishLass', it is capable of being improved, and I dont agree with deleting articles if they have potential. There is a big effort by a small number of soap editors (like IrishLass and me) who are trying to cleanup soap character articles to make them comply with policy, but it's a huge
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and several American soaps. If you want to count "forums", well all soaps have forums but those aren't reliable sources. So that would negate the argument on wrestlers. Many people come to Knowledge (XXG) to get information on soap characters. This is an article with a good start. It should be
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It's being worked on now. It's tagged start class and the WP:SOAPS project banner added. It deserves a chance for clean up and does meet the character criteria. The project had little to no notice about the above AfD, so I can't comment on things I didn't get a chance to assist on. Regardless,
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A main character on a programme that is top-rated in Australia, Ireland, and the UK. A person with a stack of magazines about soaps would be able to source this. I remember reading an interview with the actress where she spoke about the character. AfD is about an article's
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talked about how her character changed over the years, and there was a "how to dress like Mattie" spread also. That was last year I think, I'm afraid I can't remember the name of the magazine, it was just something I was flicking through.
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You are missing the point. You said she's not notable outside of soaps. I said the same can be said for wrestlers. That was the point. Don't make mountains out of molehills and try and start problems. Regardless, I've added sources.
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the soap, this is not a suitable article for Knowledge (XXG). Professional wrestlers are commented on in many forums which are not directly connected with their organisation. Where are such sources for this character?
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I've provided outside sources and this article is a good start to be rewritten correctly. I've stated my case, I'm done arguing with the likes of people like you who just won't ever understand.
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to comment. The same could be said for WWE wrestlers, how are they notable outside of wrestling. I added a link to the official site showing her as a main cast member.
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project is relatively new and should be allowed to develop this character as there is information out there outside of just the one official television station page.
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of the subject, and the official site for a soap is clearly not independent of characters in the soap. Unless sources can be found which show how Hunter is notable
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Don't play the "read this" card like I'm an idiot that's never read anything. The source is the television site, not a show site. The same sources are used for
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no indication that Ms Hunter herself is substantially the subject of published material. Yes she is a character in a TV show but what has been written about
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editors are interested in keeping this page, then they need to start searching for sources. Try Australian newspapers, news archives, magazines etc.
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is not a strong argument in deletion discussions; the problem with the article is not untidyness, but the fact that it in no way demonstrates its
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and tag with {{R to list entry}}. I agree that this article has insufficient notability to stand on its own. --User:Ceyockey (
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for the established precedent here; character plot summaries do not belong on Knowledge (XXG), as is acknowledged by
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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do not have references does not mean that we should keep all articles that do not have references. --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Thinking back, I think the interview was in a teen magazine where the actress
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major character in well-known soap opera, like articles on characters from
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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or face mass deletions. Sorry. 17:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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Fictional character with no sign of real world notability
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allowed to be developed. Let the project work on it.
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Articles for deletion/Matilda Hunter (2nd nomination)
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The Placebo Effect
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17:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Matilda Hunter
Articles for deletion/Matilda Hunter
Articles for deletion/Matilda Hunter (2nd nomination)
Matilda Hunter
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