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job and more soap editors need to start helping out if they want these character pages to be kept. At the moment this is just unsourced plot summary, so in order to keep it, independent sources discussing the character and her storylines need to be found. But that shouldn't be too difficult. Soap characters and their actors are often featured in the press. If a storyline is controversial or has a big impact, then it's often reported on by the media. Info on casting, critical commentary, reception, criticism, popularity, popular culture, ratings, character development (from the view of writers, producers and the actor) are all things that could be included to make this comply with policy. I don't watch this soap so I would not be the best person to do the editing, but if any
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It's being worked on now. It's tagged start class and the WP:SOAPS project banner added. It deserves a chance for clean up and does meet the character criteria. The project had little to no notice about the above AfD, so I can't comment on things I didn't get a chance to assist on. Regardless,
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talked about how her character changed over the years, and there was a "how to dress like Mattie" spread also. That was last year I think, I'm afraid I can't remember the name of the magazine, it was just something I was flicking through.
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You are missing the point. You said she's not notable outside of soaps. I said the same can be said for wrestlers. That was the point. Don't make mountains out of molehills and try and start problems. Regardless, I've added sources.
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