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460:. This discussion does raise the question of the ex officio notability of clergy of major denominations who hold leadership positions. There don't seem to be WP guidelines on this. I suggested that in the church of Rome Cardinals would be notable. Would this extend to bishops? Where would it stop? I note that this subject is one rank below a bishop. 48:. I can't see a consensus to delete here. The discussion (which was in several places was happily nuanced) acknowledges that the subject has a measure of notability, but there was disagreement as to whether it reached the level of sufficiency necessary for a separate article. Since it's already been relisted, I'm ended this one as no consensus. 547:
I don't think being one of three vicars general is notable. Taking another look at the article, though, I saw (buried at the bottom) "President, Paurastya Vidyapitham (Pontifical Oriental Institute of Religious Studies)," which may contribute to notability. However, the article is woefully short of
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meets WP:PROF for his administrative role a head of a seminary. That by alone is sufficient. Not that he seems to be a bishop, but we have generally included bishops of territorial churches as notable, on the basis that there administrative role is sufficient.
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Good point; it may be appropriate to flag the article for rescue. I've tried to rescue articles by this creator before and failed; the key issue will be whether there are any sources describing his work as consultor, rather than just stating the bare
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I think headship of the seminary, as a key to notability, will depend on its size (I don't know what that is), but that is probably the key notability claim. I don't think being one of three assistants to the bishop counts as notability. --
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then that would appear to be notable, but I can't see clear evidence that he actually is a member. In the WP article on the
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it says "The Pontifical Biblical Commission is a committee of Cardinals" but the subject does not appear to be a cardinal.
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reliable third-party references (and one of the ones that exists says simply "I'd like to thank Dr Vellanickal"). --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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of the Roman Catholic Church is ex officio notable but it seems that the subject is not one of them.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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That's a very good point, and it's a pity there are no good guidelines. By analogy with
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I had assumed he was one of the "consultors", but I can't get any confirmation either.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Oh, and he is one of three vicars general there, by the way.
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Yes, I've been working with bishops as the rule of thumb.
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Consultor to the Oriental Congregation, apparently. See
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