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312:. This is a perplexing case. As noted above, no French Knowledge article exists for the subject, nor have any reliable French sources been found. The article was created by an account with no other edits, and subsequently edited by a user who had nearly no edit history outside this article and, one year later, attempted three times to blank the page with the edit summary "Content no longer accurate or relevant." (Further history on the background of this incident appears at 204:" in the 1980s (after this Maurice Cloud allegedly died in 1973) and all my other searches found absolutely nothing. It's also interesting to note an artist from this time would at least have had a French Wiki article but there is not and this has hardly changed since October 2008 so that's casts more questions at this article. Pinging 332:
in New York. But no mention of the artist Maurice Cloud antedating the Knowledge article has yet appeared anywhere - which would be bizarre for an artist of even slight significance who died in 1973, had work commissioned by the French government, received "much attention from the press," and had
316:.) The article contains deliberately vague statements: "no trace in writing on his interests nor his favorite painters" and the like. These are all classic symptoms of a hoax. Yet the artist is named on a few seemingly credible places online. The list starts with the 430:. I found sources under that name, which seems to be used more consistently. I think he was known under "Georges Maurice Cloud" & signed his works as "G. Maurice Cloud", & that means that a search only under Maurice Cloud would have been insufficient. 165: 401:
I think the connection to Crevel is pretty noteworthy, and the link to surrealism. Usually I find anyone who gets a big bio at AskArt is "notable enough" for Knowledge purposes. And he definitely did exist <g:
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of the Richard Norton Gallery in Chicago, which shows seven paintings attributed to Cloud and states that they were part of an exhibition in November and December 2012. There's also a
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This is an interesting article because I found absolutely nothing to confirm he existed and instead I found links for other people with this name
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exhibitions in Paris and elsewhere. Clearly, something isn't adding up here, and this deserves further attention.
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The part that might be sourceable is the murals on the ocean liners. I haven;t found anything yet, however.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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called him an "undiscovered" artist. It is all hype. --
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