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article. If I were you I would strongly consider finding better print sources to add; otherwise, I fear this topic is so non-notable that we're going to have to relist for consensus because it appears you and I are the only ones that care to discuss it - unless one of the article's other two or three main editors comes along. I'm sorry if you take any offense to any of this (and it really seems like you are - this isn't a personal attack against you, I assure you), but so far we've got your average run-of-the-mill politician of no more than regional import - and if we gave every run-of-the-mill politician of no more than regional import a
Knowledge page, we'd need quite a few more servers, wouldn't we?
616:). Are we going to delete those articles as well? Eight other established editors agreed that the Rogero article was notable enough to be mentioned on Knowledge's main page. If I didn't think she was notable, I would not have spent the time creating the article. And I might ask you the same thing-- of all the tacky, poorly-sourced, questionable articles out there, this is the one that caught your attention? We're not going to agree on this, so if others will offer their opinions, we'll proceed from there.
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Knowledge's guidelines on the topic, save for the Instinct link which, in reality, is just a repost from a blog that DEFINITELY doesn't meet the criteria for being called a Knowledge-worthy source. Unfortunately, I've found nothing of the sort - just a lot of local stuff about a local figure.
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with noted editorial bias toward certain political ideologies), ThinkProgress is unabashedly slanted, Daily Kos has the same issues, and the
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The aforementioned author in question. Thanks for participating. :-) My primary concern with the national links you cite is that, on their face, they all appear to fail guidelines for reliable sourcing. HuffPo is pretty much
Examiner in the fact that it's a content farm (specifically, a content farm
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Knoxville region all come from
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That's probably for the best. The sources are there for REGIONAL notability, but the sources clearly aren't there for anything beyond that. As to the other pages you cite, I'll be more than happy to give them a look, but we're not discussing them on this page. We're discussing the
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This may be the first time the issue's ever been raised, and since we've established that DYK isn't a notability standard, I feel like we're straying too far away from the notability concern that prompted the initial nomination. It is, after all, what we're attempting to resolve in regard to this
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