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for improvement if the presumption of notability is reasonable and commonsense. Knowledge does not expect nor demand every article be perfect, even through various interpretations of ever-changing guideline. Mass nominations act to be disruptive of the project in forcing a ticking clock where none is
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It's not "quoting personal essay as policy". It's streamlining the process of responding to countless similiar arguments which don't hold water. If people are going to make the same redundant arguments, they shouldn't be too surprised at the terse responses they get. It's common sense: unless you're
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Since all M*A*S*H episodes have the same reason to stay, and apparently all were nominated separately at the same time, I'll just copy and paste my response. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on. Any movie
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Few of these editors actually contributed before this AfD, the creators of the pages were notified, and looking at the edit histories of these pages, without the AfD they would've been PLOT vios forever. I have explained, AD NAUSEUM, why I individually did this, and for the record, It's worked out
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is standard procedure in AFD discussions. You're obviously familiar with Knowledge deletion debates, yet you are not editing with an account with an editing history, so users can judge the usefulness of your past contributions. That's useful information for the closing admin.
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All studio movies have reviews, and as far as I can tell all studio movies can be added to Knowledge. What studio movies, let us say post 1950 are not notable? Not every movie wins and award, should we only include award winning movies? And once again, try not to use the essay
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Yet again, I am forced to follow along behind Richard Arthur Norton to defend myself against his baseless accusations and alarmism. That was nominated at the same time as all these other episodes. Please stop all the nonsense hand-waving and Bad Faith harassment.
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I see that you haven't bothered to notice that on the talk pages of many of these articles, and at the central pages where peopel are now forum shopping about this issue, this was already brought up two years ago when the articles were tagged as problematic.
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Article is reduundant to episode list except for the Trivia section, which per AVTRIV should be removed anyways; if that's done, we've hit redundancy. part of my efforts to review a few MASH episodes per day. As with all others nominated, prodded for two
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I don't think this makes my point any less valid than your interest in saving articles for the sake of having lots of articles. I think it's a valid point - you should see my other one on the other AFD. Or maybe you're too busy making articles like
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WP:FICT, a policy to address episodes failed for the third time. WP:PLOT is being seriously attacked, so much so the page was protected. These episodes are mentioned in numerous books and notable sites. This should have been discussed on the
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drawing an analogy to an article that you think clearly demonstrates the "case for keep" (which you're not, in this case), you're making a nonsensical statement. There are plenty of crappy articles on Knowledge that shouldn't be on Knowledge.
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No, the sources found do NOTHIGN to establish any real world notability for this episode; as I have stated repeatedly, they support the notability of the series, that someone felt there was money to be made off a list of episodes. That's it.
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The Wittebols book has several paragraphs on this episode. I don't have access to the Reiss book, but in my experience most episode guides devote at least a page to each episode. In my judgment, that's significant, non-trivial coverage.
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and add more real world context and criticism, this one needs to be expanded not deleted. We need to avoid a bias toward recentism. I don't see any difference between this MASH episode an a random Seinfeld episode, for example:
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that has a significant number of viewers is notable(the guidelines changed after a discussion I was in not too long ago), and there is no reason why television shouldn't be held by the same common sense standard.
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It is not significant nor non-trivial because it treats all articles the same. It doesn't have a standard fro notability, because the goal is simply to list ALL episodes of the series.
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Mass nominations of multiple articles about an award-winning series does not realistically allow time for the improvements the nominator suggests are needed. Knowledge has no
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better than a MASS deletion; Two episodse have already had ACTUAL Notability proved, and I've withdrawn those two nominations. However, the rest still fail.
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to the list of episodes in the series until there's more to say about the episode than a plot summary and trivia, each of which are discouraged.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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thuranx, maybe if you would have discussed this on the episode page first, and gained a consensus, per
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Evidently notable. Articles are not redundant to lists as articles are our preferred format.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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And how exactly does that not qualify as a reliable source independent of the subject? —
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Man who went into a shop in an episode of a made-for-tv series and bought a croissant
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I won't respond to the sarcastic swipe at the end of your comment.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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It fails the part about significant, non-trivial coverage.
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He is already moving on to season two of MASH: please see
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page(s), which are related to this deletion discussion.
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episode, no coverage in third party, reliable sources.
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