396:- Knowledge is and should be a place where people can go to find answers to their questions. After seeing the commercials on TV, I went to the man laws website to find out who these people were. The site provided some information, but not enough for me to identify those people outside of my experience. The Knowledge entry provides further information on these people's identities that is not readily available and collected anywhere else. Thus deletion of this article effectively deprives would-be seekers of information of an easy avenue to the answers they seek. This is the purpose of Knowledge. With no compelling argument in favor of deletion, any deletion discussion should wait until this topic has *left* popular culture (should it do so), not while it is of legitimate interest. This commercial series is unique in that it begs investigation and participation, a characteristic uncommon in advertising.
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watercooler talk about this campaign might count for something (though I would suspect a slow news day and a lazy reporter working from a Miller Lite press release). Celebrities in a commercial is not unusual. The late night talk show appearances and news articles might be getting somewhere, as I wrote above, but again I'm not so sure that's unusual for a commercial either. There are any number of longer-running commercial campaigns that I can think of that don't have articles: Make 7 Up Yours, 1-800-CALL-ATT, the Old Navy
Commercials, etc. (and which I'm not sure should have articles either) which to some degree makes me think this one shouldn't either. Can it be proven to be exceptionally popular (or unpopular), can it be proven to have been exceptionally successful (or unsuccessful), has it won any awards, has it been spoofed, etc.? An article for
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between the ad campaigns you cite and this one is that this satisfies both a dissociation of product (similar to the other
Knowledge articles cited previously) and interactivity (create / talk about man laws). These two characteristics cause the audience to have questions and comments about the commercial series and not the product. The result of this is that Knowledge can represent a place where information on the commercial can be collected and presented concisely and for which that information has a substantive audience, as demonstrated by the many 'keeps' noted above.
819:, in what way does this article not satisfy the definition of notable?: "A topic has notability if it is known outside a narrow interest group or constituency". Quite clearly, the commercial series prevalance on TV with a substantive 'cast', coupled with cast members on late night talk shows, news articles, blog activity and watercooler behavior establishes a wide interest group. As this is my first AfD, I am not sufficiently familiar with the Knowledge usage of notability as a criteria to be certain that my interpretation equates that of the community as a whole.
309:) blog presence, etc; this topic is rapidly becoming a component of popular culture distinct from the product with which it is associated. This topic does not satisfy any of the what wikipedia is not; Crystal ball is reserved for the removal of articles which speak exclusively of future events, this is an event in progress. A Google search for "man law" gives 3 of the top 10 on this subject (none wikipedia).
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372:, There doesn't seem to be a need to delete it. The information is accurate (within the realm of the commercial), and verifiable. While the long-term relevance of the campaign may be in question, its existence is not. As long as the article is factual who's to say what others should or should not be able to look up on an encyclopedia where the content is entirely user supplied?
480:. I echo the comments of Kershner and Jedi697b. Comparing entries in Knowledge to those that would be seen in normal encyclopedias should not serve as the sole barometer for what should be allowable in this encyclopedia. Knowledge has many strengths (and uses) above and beyond standard encyclopedias, and the ability to keep pace with current events is one of them.
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After watching the commercial I felt the need to find more information, and wikipedia had not only the website linking to the main site but also notable information. Many other advertising campaigns have wikis, and therefore this one needs to also, especially as many people (such as myself) feel the
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Notable campaign. This wiki entry was the only way I could actually find the official website, google searches came up empty. It also details every member of the square table, information you can't find anywhere else. Knowledge is a source of information, and it gave me what I wanted. People tend to
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Thank you for the explanation. Obviously we have material disagreements on the notability of this topic, but your comments lead me to a better understanding of your perspective on the matter and the usage of the term notable within the
Knowledge community. My primary contention on the difference
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AFAIK blog activity counts for little or nothing and I'm not sure what watercooler activity you're referring to. Users posting in the AfD that they discuss this commercial at the watercooler definitely doesn't count for anything. A newspaper article in which it is reported that there is a lot of
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I think I disagree that it has achieved that sort of notability, and I doubt that it will. It's not even a "Make 7up Yours" at this point (which doesn't have an article). I'm not sure where the criteria for a notable advertising campaign worthy of an encyclopedia article is, but I don't believe
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Vegaswikian, could you elaborate on what you are referring to? The ads are a collection of very similar television advertisements entitled 'Man Laws'. This article is the article for the ads themselves. The predominent content would be the cast (included) and the list of Man Laws from the
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This is a notable ad campaign with each of the men except two having their own wikipedia pages about them, and the two men who do not have wikipedia pages on them can be found at IMDB and also online at other places. The page may require more information but I believe that it should stay.
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I see lots of claims of notability, without anything to substantiate it, except perhaps
Kershner's notation of news articles. Whether news articles about ad campaigns are unusual and thus establish notability, I'm not sure. (Personally I don't care for this ad campaign or any
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The laws are quite funny. My friends discuss the new ones when they're released, and while that may not be a difference, men across the world(if this happens to be running outside of the US) may discuss it at the water cooler, and would therefore, be notable.
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517:- People at work have been talking about it, I heard it on a sports radio show this morning they spent about 15 minutes discussing some of the funnier ones. I have yet to see the commerical but I have visted the web site based on what friends have told me.
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I thought this was the worst idea for an article that I could think of at the time, and I wanted to see if it would take off. Many
Wikipedians like to chronicle everything that comes on TV, no matter how inane. Hey, it's on TV, so it must be kept, right?
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It is a campaign that can and does require more information with very notable people within the entire campaign. I believe because of the people involved, it is notable enough to keep. A re-evaulation should occur in four months, however.
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Per the unreliable google test: "Man Laws" gave 3 of the top 10 five days ago, now it gives 8 of the top 10. The Man Laws website has received thousands of submitted man laws and has approved just over a hundred of them
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come here for... anything. There is plenty of useless facts filling the wikipedia, but they are only useless until you actually want to know it. There is nothing to distinguish this from say the history of my car.
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to warrant its own article, or even a mention in another article. Google search on +"man laws" +flynn +renteria (the latter two being characters from the commercial) gets one hit only - the
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However, I will refrain from voting as I cannot decide if this is enough to establish it as notable, nor am I completely convinced (or unconvinced) that this content is encyclopedic.
492:- Throw the term "crystal ball" around all you like, an advertising campaign with such big names is virtually guaranteed to quickly become major enough to deserve an article.
333:, etc. The "crystal ball" theory deals with speculation. This isn't a campaign that may or may not happen, it is currently ongoing. There is nothing speculative about it.
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It should be noted that it would probably be more appropriate for this article to be entitled 'Man Laws' instead of 'Man Law'. That error is my own.
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