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members. I think GLA members are notable, some represent constituencies covering about 500,000 people. Councillors, on the other hand, are on the bottom rung, there must be at least 1,500 councillors in London. I stand by all my nominations (including this) being one of thousands isn't that notable,
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Actually it states they are only like to be notable if they "(a) represent a historic first, such as the first woman, first person of colour or first LGBT person elected to a council, or (b) have received national or international press coverage" which I don't think is the case here.
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This doesn't seem to be the usual kind of local pol article but being a vice chairman of the tories isn't exactly an exclusive club. However this is clearly a notable person although some sources would be nice.
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That was actually brought to my attention in a different AfD. I'm on the fence about this one now, since there does still appear to be some notability.
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