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365:- has NOT played in a fully professional league and is certainly NOT a core player (or even a fringe player) for the NUFC first team (as anyone with a modicum of knowledge of Premier League football would know). His non-notability is in fact proved by xDanielx's first link, which is a list of NUFC first team squad numbers, on which this player does NOT appear! All the linked articles refer to him playing in youth/reserve/friendly (i.e. NOT fully professional) matches 406:"Multiple references are shown above but these are to the club website which cannot be considered an independent source for the purpose of demonstrating notability." In practice that is untrue. If there was a match report on Newcastle's website that said Bertram had played in a competitive first-team match, that would be enough to establish notability. 344:. Whilst the number of sources XDanielx has found, none of them are independent, nor do any of them make any real claim for notability outside of the game (which would be the only possible saving grace). Deletion without prejudice of recreation when/if he plays at a professional standard. 311:
as per all the delete votes above. I've not checked every single one of the references to www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk above, but the ones I did check refer to reserve games, youth team games, and pre-season friendlies only. Fails
393:, as demonstrated by xDanielx's links. Multiple references are shown above but these are to the club website which cannot be considered an independent source for the purpose of demonstrating notability. -- 110: 243:
No way is he a core player, the article only has a couple of sentances to back this, and no he hasnt played for the proper team (no squad number), only the academy/reserves.
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professional football team. And contrary to a comment on the article's talk page, he is listed on the site and has played in games (frequently, too) - see e.g.
205:"ompetitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis" 121:, i.e. he has not played in a fully professional league. He's not even in the first team squad according to the NUFC official site. 83: 78: 298: 87: 17: 258: 219: 70: 382: 353: 482: 36: 481:
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and re add when part of first team squad for competitive game or assigned a first team squad number.
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No automatic notability till he's crossed the whitewash and appeared for the 1st XI. --
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377:. Has not played in a fully professional league, i.e. the 231:
The question is, has he played a game for the first team?
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per nom. The subject is not-yet-notable, and fails
39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 287:: Has not played in a fully-professional league. 485:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 439:: This debate has been included in the 134:. Actually, he is a core player of the 7: 441:list of Football-related deletions 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 53:17:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 1: 468:20:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 451:12:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 431:23:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC) 411:01:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC) 398:21:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 370:21:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 358:20:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 333:18:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 321:16:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 304:15:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 276:14:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 263:14:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 236:11:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 224:08:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 126:22:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC) 502: 478:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 199:. Hence he does meet 209:"generally notable." 117:as he does not meet 203:, which says that 453: 444: 265: 249:comment added by 493: 480: 445: 435: 301: 296: 291: 244: 216: 136:Newcastle United 108: 90: 34: 501: 500: 496: 495: 494: 492: 491: 490: 489: 483:deletion review 476: 448:John Vandenberg 299: 294: 289: 222: 212: 81: 65: 62: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 499: 497: 488: 487: 471: 470: 463:at this time. 454: 433: 416: 415: 414: 413: 401: 400: 379:Premier League 372: 360: 335: 323: 306: 278: 266: 238: 226: 218: 115: 114: 61: 56: 50:Carlossuarez46 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 498: 486: 484: 479: 473: 472: 469: 466: 462: 458: 455: 452: 449: 442: 438: 434: 432: 429: 425: 421: 418: 417: 412: 409: 405: 404: 403: 402: 399: 396: 392: 388: 384: 380: 376: 373: 371: 368: 364: 361: 359: 355: 351: 347: 343: 339: 336: 334: 331: 327: 324: 322: 319: 315: 310: 307: 305: 302: 297: 292: 286: 282: 279: 277: 274: 270: 267: 264: 260: 256: 252: 248: 242: 239: 237: 234: 230: 227: 225: 221: 215: 210: 206: 202: 198: 196: 194: 192: 190: 188: 186: 184: 182: 180: 178: 176: 174: 172: 170: 168: 166: 164: 162: 160: 158: 156: 154: 152: 150: 148: 146: 144: 142: 140: 137: 133: 130: 129: 128: 127: 124: 120: 112: 106: 102: 98: 94: 89: 85: 80: 76: 72: 68: 64: 63: 60: 57: 55: 54: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 477: 474: 456: 436: 419: 383:Championship 374: 367:ChrisTheDude 362: 337: 325: 308: 280: 268: 240: 233:Nick mallory 228: 208: 204: 131: 116: 67:Mark Bertram 59:Mark Bertram 45: 43: 31: 28: 245:—Preceding 395:Malcolmxl5 391:League Two 387:League One 465:RFerreira 330:Kingjamie 354:contribs 340:. Fails 259:contribs 251:Nufc2006 247:unsigned 214:xDanielx 123:Nufc2006 111:View log 273:Dweller 241:Comment 229:Comment 84:protect 79:history 461:WP:BIO 457:Delete 428:Angelo 424:WP:BIO 420:Delete 408:ugen64 375:Delete 363:Delete 346:AllynJ 342:WP:BIO 338:Delete 326:Delete 314:WP:BIO 309:Delete 290:Number 285:WP:BIO 281:Delete 269:Delete 201:WP:BIO 119:WP:BIO 88:delete 46:Delete 105:views 97:watch 93:links 16:< 437:Note 422:per 350:talk 318:fchd 316:. - 283:per 255:talk 207:are 132:Keep 101:logs 75:talk 71:edit 446:-- 443:. 389:or 109:– ( 385:, 381:, 356:) 352:| 261:) 257:• 211:— 103:| 99:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 77:| 73:| 48:. 348:( 300:7 295:5 253:( 220:C 217:/ 113:) 107:) 69:(

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