52:. In reaching this decision I am strongly influenced by the claims in this debate of COI editing and disruption in the article. I find the issue of the notability of student Academy Awards is undecided, and it will remain an open question until such time as it is addressed explicitly in guidelines or otherwise decided by a wider consensus. This delete is without prejudice to a new, properly referenced, article being created by a neutral editor—this deletion should be seen as helpful to that process, allowing a clean start without the taint of COI material. I will
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Russian Knowledge, her article is currently also at AfD, and she basically started to accuse everybody and state that she is a great cinema director, and the nominator is a layman unable to appreciate this. This is clearly not a snowball keep material, so let us wait a bit. I certainly appreciate your intervention and I cope it will lead to improvements.--
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If you check her talk page history, you will discover that she got over five warnings prior to yours. Some of these she deleted, and she also brought socks to create an impression there is no COI (the article was recreated three times). She is indeed learning and for instance she stopped removing the
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Keep, but edit and shorten: she is listed in the New York Times in the credits for the
Inconvenient Truth as the first researcher, also a Student Academy Award is a very impressive industry award and according to the research whether Gold, Silver, or Bronze - all these are considered Student Academy
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This seems to be a piece of self-promotion. Yarovskaya shoot three documentaries, one of which got a student award. (Obviously a documentary which would get an
Academy Award were notable, but for instance athletes can not claim notability for their wins in U-18 or U-23 competitions). There were more
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attacks on global warming science, in the Gore film. The more I look into this, the more I see Ms. Yarovskaya's edits are not the only issue here. While a db-author is not possible due to the involvement of other editors, she has wisely asked that we delete the content until such time as it can be
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of a subject that is squarely notable otherwise, the awards here do not begin to make a case in an automatic sense. A catch-22 for thought: if she uses
Knowledge to promote her career, she probably isn't notable enough for inclusion; if she doesn't care particularly much about this user-generated
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to a certain extent, but this edit warring and removal of criticism is troubling. Hoisted by one's petard? I'd go as far as recommending that she be prevented from editing her article altogether, and let other people add information that is not POV or COI.
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