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Sekulic article also has a great number of sources. I would say that the link to Tesla is not disputed by any source. We don't have
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does not say that (item #3) and no source/evidence has ever been provided that this is conclusively "the guy". The "Tesla echo chamber" you are noting is not direct evidence, just a claim being repeated over and over again. The original claim seems to be Ciril Petešic / 1976 and he only gives us a
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I do not see much biographical data to justify notability. In order to link him to Tesla I do not see much
English language sources confirming him being Tesla's influential Physics teacher. One book( Nikola Tesla: istraživač, izumitelj, genij by Tanja Rudež, Školska knjiga, 2006 page 14), in
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You spoke of "IPs showing up in this discussion". Only two editors identified by IP addresses have shown up in this discussion, so I don't see how your "IPs" (plural) can not include me. Once again, please change it to the singular if you didn't intend to accuse me of any likely wrongdoing.
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any source that says "Sekulic has no link to Tesla" while a great number of sources do state that he was his professor. You can't be doing original research. The article is a bit short, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Kavonder 22:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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