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224: 688:"? That policy says that non-English sources are allowed on Knowledge (XXG). You are being played for a fool here by an editor with some kind of weird intra-Balkan nationalist agenda. Take a step back and look at who is following what is said by a secondary source and who is performing original research by giving a personal interpretation by synthesis of primary sources. 362:. The link to Tesla is supported by many of the Google Books and Scholar search results above, and there is a sourced statement in the article that says that Sekulić was a "public representative in the Provincial Assembly of the Croatian, Slavonian and Dalmatian Kingdom", which meets the requirements of 847:
I have just read the talk page discussion about this article, which seems to have prompted this deletion nomination. Firstly I would note that disagreement about content is not a reason for deletion. More importantly it seems that the editors who have nominated this for deletion and supported it have
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His link to Tesla is well sourced and Tesla's article has that stated. If you think that's wrong you are free to start a discussion on Tesla talk page. The talk page of Sekulic article also has a great number of sources. I would say that the link to Tesla is not disputed by any source. We don't have
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does not say that (item #3) and no source/evidence has ever been provided that this is conclusively "the guy". The "Tesla echo chamber" you are noting is not direct evidence, just a claim being repeated over and over again. The original claim seems to be Ciril Petešic / 1976 and he only gives us a
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And why not? We routinely keep articles about members of provincial assemblies elsewhere in the world, so what's so special about this one that we should treat it differently? The fact you have fooled one editor into following whatever nationalist agenda you are pushing here, and to follow you in
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I do not see much biographical data to justify notability. In order to link him to Tesla I do not see much English language sources confirming him being Tesla's influential Physics teacher. One book( Nikola Tesla: istraživač, izumitelj, genij by Tanja Rudež, Školska knjiga, 2006 page 14), in
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You spoke of "IPs showing up in this discussion". Only two editors identified by IP addresses have shown up in this discussion, so I don't see how your "IPs" (plural) can not include me. Once again, please change it to the singular if you didn't intend to accuse me of any likely wrongdoing.
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any source that says "Sekulic has no link to Tesla" while a great number of sources do state that he was his professor. You can't be doing original research. The article is a bit short, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Kavonder 22:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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says that anyone who has been a member of a provincial legislature is presumed to be notable. And if you just look at the Google Books and Scholar searches liked above, which I pointed out before, you will see that there is loads of solid evidence that this
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Croatian, says, "U godisnjem izvjestaju za skolsku godinu 1971./72. vidi se da je prof. Martin Sekulic predavao predmete Maschinenlehre (strojarstvo) i Arithmetik (aritmetiku) a bio je i kustos fizikalnog laboratorija u toj skoli". Google translate:
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Criterion 1 says "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature", an exact fit for Sekulić.
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In the annual report for the school year 1971-72. see that the prof. Martin Sekulic teaching of the area the Maschinenlehre (mechanical engineering) and Arithmetik (arithmetic) and was also the curator of physical lab in the
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Please read entire policy, namely: "if a dispute arises involving a citation to a non-English source, editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided". Also maybe read
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By your use of the plural you must be including me in that accusation. Please either withdraw it or, if you have evidence that 141.138.27.160 is a sockpuppet, change it to the singular.
127: 1209:, surely we can spare one for this person, too. The discussion on what relationship he may have had on Tesla seems like a fairly simple content issue that can be resolved separately. 231: 577:
Vaguely described as a quasi official in a vaguely described "entity inside an entity" gives us #3. Could be #2, doubt its #1. At this point we don't guess so feel free to cite the
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politicians and unelected candidates. Criterion 1 is the one for members of provincial assembles such as Sekulić. And the standard used by Knowledge (XXG) for including content is
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totally back-to-front. We go by what secondary sources make of the primary sources, not Knowledge (XXG) editors' personal interpretations of the primary sources.
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making personal interpretations of primary sources rather than go by what is said by a secondary source, doesn't mean that you have fooled the rest of us.
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No time to read anything. I'm off with Knowledge (XXG), this is just ridiculous as it seems an oligopoly. Good luck with this none cooperative project.
134: 962:"IPs" as in what is showing up on related talk pages. Suspected IP ranges can be found in the SPI. If your IP is not in that group your golden. 100: 95: 898: 240: 104: 1188:- mentions him as one of the three high-school professors who were the authors of "valuable scientific discussions of universal value in 1108: 1018: 982: 945: 853: 809: 746: 689: 641: 601: 560: 508: 367: 270: 87: 17: 189: 1143: 1004: 967: 931: 730: 671: 627: 586: 534: 485: 156: 770:. My keep is weak, though, because it is difficult to find sources that say anything about him other than as Tesla's teacher. — 849: 256: 53: 1045: 1241: 40: 1139: 1000: 963: 927: 726: 667: 623: 582: 530: 481: 432: 150: 1196:
and Antun Laska. It continues to specifically point out highlights from Sekulić's work in the rest of the paragraph.
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The source is vague, the cite does not say he was a member of the provincial assembly (in fact says nothing, needs
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
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He was just a provincial politician. The link to Tesla is too weak, bears no significance, no notanility.--
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The source saying that he was a member of the provincial assembly is, as I already said, in the article.
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that guy, and that there is plenty of coverage in independent reliable sources about him being that guy.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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as a member of the Provincial Assembly of the Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia. --
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more extensive biographical and/or historical sources already written about this past holder
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I googled this person and found two Croatian scientific journal entries that mention him:
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by reliable sources, not your personal knowledge that those sources are "wrong".
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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Not notable. Attempt to link this man to Tesla brings just doubts and questions
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Hvar City Theatre Days, 28(1), pp. 237-246. ISSN 1849-0255. Retrieved from
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requires significant coverage in reliable sources, none indicated. Being "
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Studia lexicographica 2(2(3)), pp. 71-99. ISSN 2459-5578. Retrieved from
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rational that Sekulić was "a member of a provincial legislature"
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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