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Hi there's absolutely no policy or guideline or indeed consensus stating that ambassadors are inherently notable. There are thousands in the world. A select few are notable based on secondary source coverage. As you say the sources certainly aren't great. Three primary sources, an unreliable source
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I'm sure you're very well aware that that's not really the case. The media generally has little interest in diplomats. Once again, that's largely the point of ANYBIO #1. It balances out people who are notable in real if not especially sexy jobs against media obsession with pop cultural figures. If
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that anyone considered notable enough by the British Government to receive a high honour (one to two hundred every year in a country of 67 million) should be considered notable enough for Knowledge (XXG). They're not selected at random. They're selected because they're
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clauses like this didn't exist then Knowledge (XXG) would become ever more focused on pop culture and even less on being a proper encyclopaedia. It's heading in that direction now, sadly, and nominations like this just speed up the rot.
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is in the gift of the sovereign, not the government. The vast majority of government officials do not receive high honours; only a small minority. So yes, it's still a good indication of notability.
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No, I mean he's not a historic figure for whom it is difficult to locate sources. It is quite common for British diplomats to receive honours. I don't think it gives them all a free pass from
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Proposed deletion tag removed on the basis of "several sources" being present. This consists of two primary sources from the British government, an entry in the unreliable
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as lacking "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."
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4) The sources are not all great, but they don’t have to be - significant coverage is all that we require - and AfD is not the place to fix articles.
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ANYBIO provides a "likely" indication of notability provided sufficient in-depth secondary sources are available. As made clear, with regards to
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The government honouring a government official is hardly a compelling indication of notability. If he's "already notable" then sources meeting
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Actually, only a small minority of diplomats receive high honours (i.e. CBE and above), especially in the modern day. --
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notable. That's the point of ANYBIO #1, to catch people who are clearly notable but not widely covered in the media. --
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I decided to have a look at some British ambassadors to see whether this is accurate. Surprise, surprise, it wasn't.
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secondary sources (completely unacceptable for a BLP), of British diplomats awarded honours by their employer.
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is a meaningless statement, especially given he's still alive. What does that mean? I assume it simply means
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Based on the above new information, I’ve decided to delete some parts of my prior comments, and I’m now a
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guarantee that a subject should be included". ANYBIO does not exempt a subject from the sourcing test.
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Also taking a look at your own chart, of the last five AfDs, just one had a clear "keep" result.
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2 of the 3 provided sources are primary. Could not find significant third party coverage to meet
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2) The CVO doesn’t confer automatic notability, but is evidence therefor.
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Actually (my mistake in this instance), the government didn't. The
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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3) He was the British ambassador to Belgium, a longtime ally.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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would be easily locatable. He's not a historic figure.
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