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trivial mention" (these sites took the time to prepare, submit to editorial, and publish an entire article dedicated to the topic) "but it need not be the main topic of the source material" (well, it is anyway, so that's a bonus, I guess). My impression is that you're importing a separate and higher standard of "significant coverage" than that expressly defined at
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definition of significant coverage is that "the sources address the subject directly" (headline contains subject name), "in detail" (many sources contain details of creators and budget), "and no original research is necessary to extract the content" (unarguably the case here). It is "more than a
205:- the "blogs" referenced are exactly the places you'd expect to see videogaming news of this kind. The reason blogs aren't normally accepted as sources is their lack of editorial oversight; Destructoid and PlayStation Official Magazine are both edited. There's also coverage on RockpaperShotgun ( 392:; for a fan-film, this is substantial coverage. The cost of the movie and the coordination required to produce it is extraordinary. If this cannot pass notability, it's practically saying that fan films are inherently non-notable, and that's a road we do not want to take. 479:
Capsule reviews are mentioned at the more specific film notability guidelines, which is what both Panyd and I have linked to. It is my opinion that these small submissions are trivial, but I'm not going to kick up a huge fuss if that goes against the concensus.
272:"Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material. 156: 274:
I'm not sure that your suggestion that multi-paragraph articles headlined with the name of the article subject can be described as "trivial mentions" is supported by policy or by past AfD results. -
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I am similarly unsure that 2-3 paragraphs stating that the film exists and that the author enjoyed it and a link to the film qualifies as significant coverage. Perhaps other editors will disagree.
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criteria are aimed at commercial release full-length features. Fan films would rarely pass this test - including the unarguably notable classic
171: 456:. There's no requirement for an article writer to have watched the film; it's sufficient merely that they saw fit to comment. As above, the 246:- none of the links provided above fall under the category of 'non-trivial coverage' and they're certainly not significant. Completely fails 138: 187:
Fanfilm of questionable notability - claims in the article appear overstated, and references are predominately primary sources or blogs.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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states that he hasn't watched all of the film (yet), and RockPaperShotgun's Kieron Gillon
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which it passes criterion 1 of. (And, of course, it passes the more important test at
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to clear the bar. Significant coverage in independent reliable sources means it clears
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
465:, and if you are then it doesn't reflect current policy. - 107: 103: 99: 163: 419:claims he doesn't even intent to watch it. This is 177: 452:- The words "capsule review" aren't mentioned at 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 546:). No further edits should be made to this page. 503:– Looks like plenty of reliable sourcing here. 366:: Per the sources listed by DustFormsWords and 346:list of video game related deletion discussions 8: 344:: This debate has been included in the 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 515:Has good sources. Especially this 24: 74:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy 66:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy 1: 248:notability criteria for films 60:01:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC) 529:06:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC) 508:00:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC) 490:10:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC) 475:23:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC) 441:11:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC) 402:18:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 385:13:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 358:13:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 330:07:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 317:07:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 284:07:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 255:07:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 239:05:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 197:05:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC) 563: 431:or somesuch, that's fine. 539:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 213:), Topless Robot ( 44:The result was 360: 554: 541: 340: 182: 181: 167: 115: 97: 53: 34: 562: 561: 557: 556: 555: 553: 552: 551: 550: 544:deletion review 537: 217:) and Gamespy ( 124: 88: 72: 69: 51: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 560: 558: 549: 548: 532: 531: 510: 497: 496: 495: 494: 493: 492: 467:DustFormsWords 444: 443: 404: 387: 361: 337: 336: 335: 334: 333: 332: 320: 319: 309:DustFormsWords 289:Second Comment 286: 276:DustFormsWords 258: 257: 241: 231:DustFormsWords 185: 184: 121: 68: 63: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 559: 547: 545: 540: 534: 533: 530: 526: 522: 518: 514: 511: 509: 506: 502: 499: 498: 491: 487: 483: 478: 477: 476: 472: 468: 464: 459: 455: 451: 448: 447: 446: 445: 442: 438: 434: 430: 426: 422: 418: 415: 412: 408: 405: 403: 399: 395: 391: 388: 386: 382: 378: 374: 371: 368: 365: 362: 359: 355: 351: 347: 343: 339: 338: 331: 328: 324: 323: 322: 321: 318: 314: 310: 306: 302: 298: 294: 290: 287: 285: 281: 277: 273: 269: 265: 262: 261: 260: 259: 256: 253: 249: 245: 242: 240: 236: 232: 228: 224: 220: 216: 212: 208: 204: 201: 200: 199: 198: 194: 190: 180: 176: 173: 170: 166: 162: 158: 155: 152: 149: 146: 143: 140: 137: 134: 130: 127: 126:Find sources: 122: 119: 113: 109: 105: 101: 96: 92: 87: 83: 79: 75: 71: 70: 67: 64: 62: 61: 58: 55: 54: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 538: 535: 512: 500: 449: 420: 410: 406: 389: 363: 341: 288: 271: 263: 243: 202: 189:MikeWazowski 186: 174: 168: 160: 153: 147: 141: 135: 125: 52:Juliancolton 49: 45: 43: 31: 28: 482:Marasmusine 433:Marasmusine 209:), Kotaku ( 151:free images 521:SkyWalker 377:Joe Chill 505:MuZemike 429:Fan film 411:redirect 293:WP:NFILM 223:very few 118:View log 450:Comment 350:MrKIA11 264:Comment 157:WP refs 145:scholar 91:protect 86:history 407:Delete 372:, and 301:WP:WEB 297:Troops 266:- Per 244:Delete 129:Google 95:delete 425:WP:NF 327:Panyd 307:). - 252:Panyd 172:JSTOR 133:books 112:views 104:watch 100:links 16:< 525:talk 519:. -- 513:Keep 501:Keep 486:talk 471:talk 463:WP:N 458:WP:N 454:WP:N 437:talk 423:off 398:talk 394:TJRC 390:Keep 381:talk 364:Keep 354:talk 342:Note 313:talk 305:WP:N 280:talk 268:WP:N 235:talk 229:. - 227:WP:N 219:here 215:here 211:here 207:here 203:Keep 193:talk 165:FENS 139:news 108:logs 82:talk 78:edit 46:keep 517:one 421:way 409:or 179:TWL 116:– ( 527:) 488:) 473:) 439:) 400:) 383:) 375:. 369:, 356:) 348:. 315:) 282:) 270:- 250:. 237:) 195:) 159:) 110:| 106:| 102:| 98:| 93:| 89:| 84:| 80:| 56:| 523:( 484:( 469:( 435:( 396:( 379:( 352:( 311:( 278:( 233:( 191:( 183:) 175:· 169:· 161:· 154:· 148:· 142:· 136:· 131:( 123:( 120:) 114:) 76:(

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