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352:. This guideline notes that "possible bases for a finding of notability include, in particular, whether the book is published by an academic press, how widely the book is cited by other academic publications or in the media, the number of editions of the book, whether one or more translations of the book have been published, how influential the book is considered to be in its specialty area, or adjunct disciplines, and whether it is, or has been, taught, or required reading, in one or more reputable educational institutions." This book series has been published by reputable academic publishers including the 720:. In my areas (inorganic and bioinorganic chemistry), this book series is decidedly not prominent. It never was prominent, but then again many once prominent book series are suffering in the digital age. User:Petergans cites from it a fair bit within Knowledge (XXG), I recall. I dont see any harm in keeping the parent article describing the book series, so long as the series is not overly promoted within Knowledge (XXG). -- 286:. This a really disgraceful article. It's terribly organized, written and structured. Much of it just seems to be a restatement of the actual work it tries to describe. The lists are very irritating. Finding an article like this on Knowledge (XXG) is the equivalent of finding an old box of muffins in the garage that fell behind something when you were bringing in the groceries... in the 1980's. I agree with 310:. I think it is notable enough, per reviews cited in the article. I agree with HappyValleyEditor that it was overly long and unencyclopedic, with all those tables of contents, but after posting their comment above HappyValleyEditor has cleaned up the article (maybe not to what it should be, but at least in a right direction). 290:
that this is essentially an advertisement for the book (series). Since Knowledge (XXG) does not allow advertisements, my vote is delete. An additional argument might be that this article needs to be blown up and redone to even be able to see if there is anything remotely notable underneath all those
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to the best of my knowledge, a not particularly notable book series published in part of a sequence of three scientific publishers. As a librarian, yes, I subscribed to the series, but only because we bought essentially everything published of even minor significance in the field of biochemistry,
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I saw this and thought it was not an encyclopedia article, and asked Randykitty what their judgement was, as Randykitty is very experienced in these sorts of articles. Their judgement was the same and they tagged it for speedy. That was the right answer in my view. I am sympathetic to Petergans
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There is no speedy deletion tag on the article. One of your edits was to add a link to a T&F shopping cart (I guess that link only works for you yourself and that only transiently) and remove a "third party sources needed in this section" tag, despite the fact that all sources in that section
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When those rules were formulated, all big publishers already had well-established websites. And those rules are still very much relevant nowadays. It's definitely unencyclopedic to just have an "article" that consists of a bunch of external links and basically copies Springer's website for these
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be the basis for expansion into an acceptable article. The recent edit history does not give me much confidence that such will actually happen, though. (I realize that the foregoing is not a reason to keep/delete, it's just a description of events). As for notability, I note that there are some
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for speedy deletion as spam. Restored on request from the author. It has been around for nearly seven years and no other editors have shown much interest in it. Certainly far too long - we do not need a schedule of every article. And, in my view, lacking independent evidence of notability. —
426:. This can be useful to researchers when the relevant volume is not held by their institution's library. I accept that this is not permissible under current WP rules; I imagine that these rules were drawn up before publishers like Springer offered free previews of book contents on the web. 324:
I optimistically posted the above comment hoping that the article will be built up from the HappyValleyEditor's version. Instead of an anticipated collaboration (in developing the article) I see an editing disagreement. Given the marginal notability, I see no future for this article.
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On the specific issue of evidence for notability. Each volume has been the subject of a number of reviews. I have not cited all of them because it seemed unneccesary. The fact that 16 volumes in the series have already been published is evidence of notability in
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The use of terms "disgraceful", "appalling" and "atrocious" is not what I expect of Wikipedians. A word of explanation is appropriate. What I attempted to do was provide users with links to view specific article contents, which the publisher provides
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whether of not it was of any great importance. The reviews are utterly routine, amounting just to announcements. Very few papers of any importance were every published in it. The place for this sort of information is in library catalogs.
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books. Researchers interested in these books will look at Springer's website for links to the chapters, not WP. Like SwisterTwister, I'm curious to see what DGG (a retired academic librarian) thinks of all this. --
547: 554:) And the sources (refs 1-4) for the encyclopedic content are all to the publishers, not independent or secondary sources, so no so good, even still... but yes better than it was! 160: 595:
So a link that actually works and brings you to a place where the books are actually listed is less appropriate than a dead link in your view. OK then. 17:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
381:(changed to "delete" below) The way the article was when I first encountered it was indeed atrocious. I started an attempt at cleanup but was immediately reverted by the 119: 598:
The link to CRC Press refers to the prvevious series ""Metal Ions in Biological Systems", not to "Metal Ions in Life Sciences" , which is the title of this article.
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Thanks for asking! I should have looked and thought again, so really thanks. It is better now. But. The biggest chunk of content was sourced to
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First, the article as it stands is appalling. However, the question is whether the book series is
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I have restored HappyValleyEditor's version. The version Petergans is referring to can be seen
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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so that editors can can see the full text and therefore make fully informed comments.
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The reference to CRC press is inappropriate. The publisher since 2012 is Springer
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reviews for some individual volumes. I also note that (according to
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as I am also convinced by DGG, this is still overall questionable.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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applied and tagged it as spam. After the excellent job that
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I have undone the massive and excessive deletions by
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