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420:. The Mizpah Creek Incidents resulted in the first Montana Territorial Court case east of Bozeman, with a reporter present from the New York Times. That alone should be important enough to not delete the page. I don't know why all some Knowledge Users seems to want to do is to delete others pages. All I am trying to do is to improve Knowledge, and make more people aware of certain historical events, and I don't intend to offend anyone. I believe that the article should be left alone. Sincerely 721:"Agressively stalking the contributor for some reason"? If you see many articles created by the same author on non-notable topics, then it is only logical and expected that you keep an eye on further creations. Feel free to revisit the other AfD's, that is your right. I brought all these to AfD for community discussion, so it's not as if I was the only one advocating for deletion or as if I was doing it secretly. But if you think bringing 652:
appears to do so too. The fact that you can't find the exact title in a search is not grounds for deletion. It might be grounds for renaming, but it's not grounds for deletion. And yes, you do have a poor search technique. I would say the title is descriptive rather than an actual proper name and
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says that there are mentions in books and then votes delete. How is that a rationale for deletion? Besides the historic notability of the court case mentioned above, it seems to have escaped everybodies notice that Glover was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his part. That alone speaks
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There seem to be two distinct styles in the critiques. One appears to have an interest in making Wiki better, adding sources, helping substantiate facts and making suggestions to the builder who appears to have a lot of interest in these subjects. The other is perhaps a self appointed expert who has
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make clear, Fram's reasons are spurious. (Spinningspark, do you ride stop and turn around palominos?) Simply by the arguments presented here, I might suggest a look at the articles of Powder River 1876 which Fram has gotten deleted and see if they might also be made worthy, if indeed they are not
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be the criterion is another question altogether. If this were my personal encyclopaedia, I would set some very different criteria. But it's not, and if you wish to change the basic policy that needs a much bigger discussion, and it would go way beyond military matters. In the meantime,
744:-- I think one has to draw the line somewhere. We have recently had nominations for an incident in Scottish clan warfare and now for one from the Wild West (I watch history AFDs). I think we need a discussion as to how small a battle needs to be to be WP-notable. 470: 464: 161: 593:
I wouldn't call "using the exact article title" a "poor search technique". There seem to be no sources that call these events the "Mizpah Creek Incidents" or that group them together as one notable series of incidents.
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this does not deserve an article because only 15 men took part in the incident? Really? That's not how we judge the importance of a military action (or anything) on Knowledge as far as deserving an article goes.
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The Mizpah Creek Incidents is a very minor incident which has not received the attention necessary to support a Knowledge article. There are no Ghits for "Mizpah Creek Incidents" outside Knowledge
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The only result I see when I follow your link is for "MIZPAH® Relationship Ring‎" :-) Regionalised Google results are a pest, one aspect of Net Neutrality that clearly doesn't exist.
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appears to devote several pages, although only snippet view is available. Many other books cleary have coverage, but it is hard to tell how much from snippet view. There is also
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The claim of the nomination that there are no book hits for this topic is false. This seems to be due to poor search technique as it only took a few seconds of searching to find
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If it's discussed in reliable sources, then it's notable. By definition. There can be no argument about that, that's the way Knowledge policy works. Whether that
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Considering that this article was created after a series of similar articles on Powder River County history by the same editor had been deleted through AfD (
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in which the same Sgt Glover is involved at almost the same location and, even more confusingly, his Congressional Medal of Honor is for
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now. One suggestion of Fram's, with a minor alteration, may be worth taking. Prohibiting Fram from nominating, not worthy of Knowledge.
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AFD should be settled on the basis of existing policy. Notability is not affected by the size of the engagement.
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for notability. The nominator claims there are no ghits, but I am seeing numerous books covering the events.
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been undone with a few seconds of research by the advocates. Fram seems to take pride in listing articles of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Forgotten Fights: Little-known Raids and Skirmishes on the Frontier, 1823 to 1890
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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The Plainsmen of the Yellowstone: A History of the Yellowstone Basin
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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from the Second Cavalry Association Regimental History Center.
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is aggressively stalking the contributor for some reason. As
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Deeds of Valor: how America's Heroes Won the Medal of Honor
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there is a case to be made for lower-casing the word
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
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It appears 508:book I linked above is discussing the 7: 629:Indians taken prisoner after a fight 24: 223:Battle of the Little Powder River 646:The Plainsmen of the Yellowstone 626:Soldiers hunt down those indians 516:actions. 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