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211:, but cut most of the content. Article contains two citations from mainstream press. Smith may not be notable when judged on a nationwide scale, but his Oregon campaign appears just as notable to Oregonians as numerous articles of local significance. In addition, his approach to the Presidential race sounds unique, notable for its contrast with other candidates. I agree the current article reads way too much like a campaign brochure; the Platform section should be cut in its entirety, and much of the other sections as well. (Disclosure: I'm from Oregon, but know nothing about Smith beyond what I found via this WP article.) - 627:
internet, and is embarking on a novel endeavor. Subjective determinations on how much press coverage is needed to justify an article are shaky at best, as the mainstream media tends to focus on the horse-race aspects of an election. Active campaigning is enough, and the "self-promotion" claim is basically irrelevant when it comes to political candidates. I'll close with this: when in doubt, keep it.
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mostly to local papers curious about his Quixotic run. I'm extremely sympathetic to anyone who wants to run, and if he became notable for his longshot run, that's one thing, but many other candidates are putting efforts into all early primary states and have gotten coverage for doing so, making them notable. -
125:. Presuming he appears on a ballot anywhere, he should be able to be found here, because people will be curious who he is. But he doesn't need to be given the treatment of being a full-fledged candidate, by having all other articles about the primary or candidates link to him along side the real candidates. 343:
It's certainly shorter, but the (true) phrase in the article, "Smith is unknown outside of Oregon, and has no previous experience in political office," proves non-notability. An article on a movie actor who simply said he was an aspiring actor who hoped to be a movie star, but admitted he wasn't even
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There are a lot of minor presidential candidates who have no chance to win, that shouldn't be a reason to remove this article. If this candidate has enough coverage to have a fully-cited non-stubbed article, then keep. I will change my vote if this is rewritten according to that and I am notified on
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I see my position is rather shaky, but the whole discussion seems perched on a slippery slope. Self-promotion? Much of politics is essentially self promotion. If you adopt that criteria, you need to be prepared to remove John Cox, and Michael Savage, Mike Gravel, Al Sharpton and probably all the
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Of course, another article's possible lack of validity is irrelevant to this one's possible deletion. That said, this is an eggregious and obvious case of a non-notable non-candidate with zero exposure nationally, while Cox is an increasingly irrelevent candidate who is at least making pretentions
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I would propose you think more in terms of a broader wiki “mission.” Although it’s not practical to publish an all-encompassing catalogue – it should be the objective to capture meaningful perspectives and serve as a resource for voters to assess candidates on the basis of political philosophy.
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Active campaign is one thing, but his strategy of campaigning for a national office in one state (the equivalent of wanting to be a professional boxer but refusing to get into a boxing ring) makes him non-notable, and it can hardly be seen as "actively" campaigning. His coverage has been limited
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He's a declared and active (campaigning) candidate for President of the United States. The fact that he isn't a current office holder or subjective determinations that he "doesn't have a snowballs chance" are completely irrelevant. Smith has received press coverage and a lot of attention on the
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per Pete, with the caveat that outside editors maintain the article and not the candidate, per my comments above. (Full disclosure--another Oregonian here, but it's rare I vote for anybody of Smith's party.) Thinking in terms of Knowledge being a useful resource, I would expect that interest in
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It's possible that somewhere along the way, Mr. Smith actually edited this article to promote himself, but should that claim be made so lightly and without evidence? If incorrect, that claim may be offensive both to Mr. Smith and this article's creator. What happened to
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The internet and wikipedia hold a promise of increased information and “democracy” of ideas and access. You seem to be working contrary to that objective, ironically falling into patterns established by the conventional media that wikipedia aspires to replace.
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have a paragraph on him, though he's link in the template at the bottom of the page). His name is a possible search term, and if we're going to remove the stand-alone article, at least send readers somewhere useful.
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some fuzzy New Age outreach program. Many of those exist, and I suggest that this is less about What Knowledge Could Become than in hijacking a popular and highly visible website for promotional purposes.
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You raise some good points. On the other hand, Knowledge isn't here to provide a platform for your philosophical contrast. We're just here to write a really good encyclopedia. As far as self-promtion, well,
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From that perspective it could be argued that my presence is more meaningful as a philosophical contrast than the myriad social conservatives who offer little meaningful distinction between their positions.
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Non-notable candidate campaigning in one state for a nationwide office. This has resulted in failing to gain other than local media coverage. Article reads like a campaign brochure, non-encyclopedic. -
514:. To address Mr. Smith's altogether-too-familiar rebuttal, Knowledge is a private website with the right to decide what it is. The Wikimedia Foundation has decided it is an encyclopedia ... 174:. Self-promotion. Mr. Smith has not demonstrated his own notability. Just filing with the FEC is insufficient basis for inclusion in Knowledge; filing carries no guarantee of ballot status. — 465:
outsider candidates would be strong enough that a person searching for this candidate might expect to find an article on him, especially since his candidate profile is listed in the
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per nom. It doesn't look like this fellow's thought of as notable IN Oregon either, given that a directed search has only 125 (not entirely relevant) G-hits
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about campaigning nationally, and at least has done it in the past. But deal with that one on its own merits, and not just because this is a bad article. -
327:: Can any of those supporting deletion please comment on my remarks, and on whether my deletion of about 2/3 of the material impacts their position? - 87: 82: 542:
my talk page. Without this, anyone could run for president with no campaigning/notability and not even try to win just to get a Knowledge article. —
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that in itself is not a criteria for deletion and should not stand alone. However, this article also does not adhere to Knowledge's policy on
48:. The issue here is not whether this is self-promotion or not -- the issue is lack of multiple non-trivial mentions from independent sources. 649: 634: 310: 132: 657: 17: 553: 703:
by an account that is not a single-purpose account and generally edits articles related to the Western United States.
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actively seeking film roles, wouldn't meet muster for an article here, either, for the reasons Djma12 cited above. -
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Self promotion, and basically just his points of view on some issues and his ambition. Not worthy of an article.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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in the absence of evidence to the contrary? Have I perhaps missed some obvious evidence linking
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have a question, though: how does one conclude this is self-promotion? The article was created
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Official and potential 2008 United States presidential election Republican candidates
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for self-promotion. Merely filing FEC papers does not qualify for notability. See
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self-evident campaign page, and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in the race.
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to the page on 2008 Republican candidates that has a paragraph on him.
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Not notable, slf promotion an he wants to be president? uuuuurgh. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
563:. Article is better with Pete's cuts (less violation of 704: 701: 104: 100: 96: 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 154:for notability in political figures and violates 737:). No further edits should be made to this page. 299:. 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Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
utcursch
talk
12:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Michael Charles Smith
Michael Charles Smith
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
unsigned
69.143.31.101
talk
12:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
WP:BIO
WP:SOAP
User:Mikesmth
Djma12
01:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Sesel
02:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Nhprman
03:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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