Knowledge

:Articles for deletion/Michael Cole (public relations) - Knowledge

Source 📝

31: 251:
As article creator the major source I used, as evidenced by the article itself, was his own website so the "many errors" might well be his or his people's own fault. I can see nothing unsourced in the article for him to get upset about but I'm not going to argue strongly for keeping as really he was
430:
You will have your own ways of doing things but I should like to think that whomsoever is making the decision in this matter should be fully aware of our e-mail correspondence in the hope that it will enlighten him, her or them to the perfectly respectable, rational and reasonable reasons that have
402:
In addition, things become rapidly out of date. After 14 successful years, I wound up my highly solvent company, Michael Cole & Co. Ltd., in good order in 2012. But this significant change goes largely unremarked or is passed by in allegedly authoritative listings, although Companies House was
398:
During my working life, I have met 10 other people called Michael Cole, including a newspaper journalist, a Royal Navy Admiral and a producer of BBC television programmes for children. The possibility of mistaken identity is just one of the hazards in the path of a person with as common a name as
394:
I wish my privacy to be respected by Knowledge. As I have already demonstrated, the capacity for error in such entries is very great. You have acknowledged this by removing the reference to Millfield School. I do not ask if you have replaced it with citation of Preston Manor County Grammar School
416:
You mentioned a newspaper and the BBC and in such a way as to suggest that they are impeccable sources of factual information. Well, I worked for newspapers for 7 years and for the BBC for more than 20. I have to tell you that your faith is misplaced; the BBC and newspapers often make factual
234:. The standard response is to offer to correct errors or nominate the article for deletion. He was given the opportunity to correct errors in the article, but he prefers deletion, with the understanding that the community may elect to keep it. I have no objection to its removal. ~ 372:
Following is an excerpt from OTRS correspondence with Mr Cole, reproduced here with permission. He hopes that the reviewing administrator will seriously consider this appeal. As for myself, like the author of the article, I have no problem with its disappearance.
423:
If you have ever read a story or heard a report about something of which you have close, factual knowledge (it does not have to have a personal connection) you will know that the journalists always get something wrong. They may not mean to but they do.
412:
I have neither the time nor inclination to work through my entry correcting all the errors, unwonted inferences and obvious misunderstandings. Indeed, I should not be expected to do so in order to protect an invaluable abstract, my right to privacy.
575:
According to Mr Cole's statement reproduced above, the article is rife with errors because the cited independent sources misrepresent facts, and he has no interest in correcting them because he wants the article deleted. Even considering
266:
The only specific objection he mentioned in the email was about his education (wrong school). Because the source didn't support the claim about his attendance, I deleted the entire education section. That, apparently, wasn't sufficient.
195: 252:
never that important in the first place (and certainly not now as his media profile has been lower than a gnat's belly for years) and Knowledge will easily survive without him. No real objections to deletion from me essentially.
580:, if the sources didn't get the facts straight, Knowledge's purpose in disseminating knowledge isn't served by compounding the problem, and exposes the WMF to potential liability if libel issues arise with the cited sources. 542:
Because I am technically not the nominator (just a proxy for the subject who wants the article deleted), I feel justified in providing my own views. I see four arguments for removing this article:
420:
Correcting the record is notoriously difficult, particularly as most newspapers are very reluctant to admit it when they have made a mistaken, as you would know if you have ever tried to do it.
547:
The short contribution history shows the appearance of a couple other editors expanding the article, but all of those additions have been removed, leaving dominant only the contributions of
189: 590:
that person in the context of that post can be found. Ford Motor Company has had several presidents, for example, but not all of them are notable enough to merit an article here.
319: 304: 148: 121: 116: 125: 289: 607:
I admit that second point is weak, but with all four taken together, I am leaning toward deletion. The article would not be missed, and the subject would be grateful. ~
108: 409:
Disolving my company was just one of the ways in which, at the age of 71, I have sought to assert and protect my privacy. Being removed from Knowledge is another.
507:- I agree with many of the points above, but there is probaby enough here to merit keeping as the Al Fayeds' key spokesman for many years, irrespective of what 155: 40: 406:
I do not complain abaout this and it is hardly surprising as my company was not WPP. It was one of a sole trader and that sole lonely figure was me!
210: 177: 483: 112: 551:, who created it. And he has no objections to its deletion (see his comment above), bringing this article into speedy-delete territory on 231: 171: 698: 661: 636: 618: 528: 497: 465: 384: 362: 346: 326: 311: 296: 278: 261: 245: 90: 167: 104: 96: 17: 217: 657: 680: 183: 69: 46: 586:
An influential post at the BBC may be notable, the person who inhabits may not be, particularly if no coverage
491: 604:. Appropriate parts of this article could be merged there, and this article could be converted to a redirect. 645: 597: 453: 676: 653: 323: 308: 293: 65: 632: 524: 342: 226:
Deletion is requested in behalf of the subject of this article, who has objected to its existence in
652:. Moreover, since the subject of the article would like it deleted, I find no reason to keep it. -- 476: 257: 203: 613: 577: 379: 357: 273: 240: 84: 508: 461: 58:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
675:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
64:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
649: 601: 537: 449: 351:
The post may be notable, but does that make the person notable by virtue of inhabiting it? ~
628: 627:- Yes, I tend to agree with these arguments. So on reflection I'd lean towards delete too. 520: 512: 338: 644:
While there is some in-depth coverage in reliable sources, a strong case can be made for
563: 556: 548: 417:
mistakes and more often than not, they are not promptly corrected and sometimes never.
253: 692: 608: 552: 516: 374: 352: 268: 235: 457: 142: 515:
into the entry on Al Fayed as this appears to be the strongest reason regarding
511:
rightly points out about BBC Royal Correspondent above. We could suggest
475:- indeed much of his coverage seems to be inherited from Al Fayed. 337:. The Royal Correspondent at the BBC is a pretty notable post. -- 669:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
227: 569:, its subsequent deletion would be speedy and uncontroversial. 25: 427:
So, please do the decent thing and comply with my request.
138: 134: 130: 202: 395:
because, of course, I wish no mention by you at all.
320:
list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions
305:
list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions
72:). No further edits should be made to this page. 683:). No further edits should be made to this page. 290:list of News media-related deletion discussions 596:The remaining sources imply that the subject 216: 8: 318:Note: This debate has been included in the 303:Note: This debate has been included in the 288:Note: This debate has been included in the 317: 302: 287: 431:motivated this earnest request to you. 45:For an explanation of the process, see 7: 24: 559:happened to tag the article with 536:Delete, or redirect and merge to 41:deletion review on 2017 March 14 29: 105:Michael Cole (public relations) 97:Michael Cole (public relations) 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 403:notified as legally lequired. 1: 662:07:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC) 637:09:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC) 619:20:02, 14 November 2014 (UTC) 529:16:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC) 498:08:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC) 466:22:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 385:17:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 363:23:22, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 347:14:47, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 327:04:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 312:04:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 297:04:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 279:04:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 262:01:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 246:19:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC) 91:17:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC) 715: 47:Knowledge:Deletion review 699:Pages at deletion review 672:Please do not modify it. 61:Please do not modify it. 442: 594:Inherited notability: 440:Michael (Dexter) Cole 389: 646:inherited notability 598:inherited notability 450:much of the coverage 584:Position vs person: 77:The result was 617: 437:Yours sincerely, 383: 361: 329: 314: 299: 277: 244: 53: 52: 39:was subject to a 706: 674: 654:I am One of Many 650:Mohamed Al-Fayed 611: 602:Mohamed Al-Fayed 568: 562: 545:Speedy deletion: 538:Mohamed Al-Fayed 494: 488: 481: 377: 355: 271: 238: 232:2014110810005782 221: 220: 206: 158: 146: 128: 89: 87: 63: 33: 32: 26: 714: 713: 709: 708: 707: 705: 704: 703: 689: 688: 687: 681:deletion review 670: 566: 560: 492: 484: 477: 163: 154: 119: 103: 100: 85: 82: 70:deletion review 59: 37:This discussion 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 712: 710: 702: 701: 691: 690: 686: 685: 665: 664: 639: 622: 532: 531: 501: 500: 469: 468: 388: 387: 367: 366: 365: 331: 330: 315: 300: 284: 283: 282: 281: 224: 223: 160: 99: 94: 75: 74: 54: 51: 50: 44: 34: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 711: 700: 697: 696: 694: 684: 682: 678: 673: 667: 666: 663: 659: 655: 651: 647: 643: 640: 638: 634: 630: 626: 623: 621: 620: 615: 610: 605: 603: 599: 595: 591: 589: 585: 581: 579: 574: 570: 565: 558: 554: 550: 546: 541: 539: 534: 533: 530: 526: 522: 518: 514: 510: 506: 503: 502: 499: 496: 495: 489: 487: 482: 480: 474: 471: 470: 467: 463: 459: 455: 451: 447: 444: 443: 441: 438: 435: 432: 428: 425: 421: 418: 414: 410: 407: 404: 400: 396: 392: 386: 381: 376: 371: 368: 364: 359: 354: 350: 349: 348: 344: 340: 336: 333: 332: 328: 325: 321: 316: 313: 310: 306: 301: 298: 295: 291: 286: 285: 280: 275: 270: 265: 264: 263: 259: 255: 250: 249: 248: 247: 242: 237: 233: 229: 219: 215: 212: 209: 205: 201: 197: 194: 191: 188: 185: 182: 179: 176: 173: 169: 166: 165:Find sources: 161: 157: 153: 150: 144: 140: 136: 132: 127: 123: 118: 114: 110: 106: 102: 101: 98: 95: 93: 92: 88: 86:FreeRangeFrog 80: 73: 71: 67: 62: 56: 55: 48: 42: 38: 35: 28: 27: 19: 671: 668: 641: 624: 606: 593: 592: 587: 583: 582: 572: 571: 555:grounds. If 544: 543: 535: 504: 490: 485: 478: 472: 445: 439: 436: 433: 429: 426: 422: 419: 415: 411: 408: 405: 401: 397: 393: 390: 369: 334: 324:NorthAmerica 309:NorthAmerica 294:NorthAmerica 225: 213: 207: 199: 192: 186: 180: 174: 164: 151: 78: 76: 60: 57: 36: 578:WP:NOTTRUTH 190:free images 629:Mediavalia 573:Liability: 521:Mediavalia 509:Necrothesp 452:of him is 339:Necrothesp 677:talk page 557:Keresaspa 553:WP:CSD#G7 549:Keresaspa 505:Weak Keep 454:inherited 254:Keresaspa 230:ticket # 66:talk page 693:Category 679:or in a 648:through 609:Amatulić 600:through 513:WP:TRANS 479:starship 448:because 375:Amatulić 370:Comment. 353:Amatulić 269:Amatulić 236:Amatulić 149:View log 68:or in a 493:~ regal 458:Bearian 196:WP refs 184:scholar 122:protect 117:history 642:Delete 625:Delete 517:WP:GNG 486:.paint 473:Delete 446:Delete 399:mine. 168:Google 126:delete 79:delete 588:about 564:db-g7 211:JSTOR 172:books 156:Stats 143:views 135:watch 131:links 16:< 658:talk 633:talk 614:talk 525:talk 462:talk 434:... 391:... 380:talk 358:talk 343:talk 335:Keep 274:talk 258:talk 241:talk 228:VRTS 204:FENS 178:news 139:logs 113:talk 109:edit 218:TWL 147:– ( 695:: 660:) 635:) 567:}} 561:{{ 527:) 519:? 464:) 456:. 345:) 322:. 307:. 292:. 260:) 198:) 141:| 137:| 133:| 129:| 124:| 120:| 115:| 111:| 81:. 43:. 656:( 631:( 616:) 612:( 540:. 523:( 460:( 382:) 378:( 373:~ 360:) 356:( 341:( 276:) 272:( 267:~ 256:( 243:) 239:( 222:) 214:· 208:· 200:· 193:· 187:· 181:· 175:· 170:( 162:( 159:) 152:· 145:) 107:( 83:§ 49:.

Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review on 2017 March 14
Knowledge:Deletion review
talk page
deletion review
FreeRangeFrog
17:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Michael Cole (public relations)
Michael Cole (public relations)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Stats
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL
VRTS

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.