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Wikiepdia protocols which is unfair as how are new users to be aware of the library of protocols when they start. Being a full time student of Media(Communication & Journalism) with humble resources, this user cannot justify extended "chat room" discussions from hidden usernames. I would prefer to manage this time best by further contributions and references when I can, college schedule and life permitting. Not all subjects have instant modern internet enabled archive newspaper references, most exist only in traditional paper form. This whole exercise demonstrates new contributers are not welcome to wikipedia. Users are not given time to develop their wikiepdia skillset and articles are not given time to build the sources hunters 00:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
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Micheal Fitzgerald regardless of it being pelled "ea" or "ae". As an actor, his imdb resume shows only one acting credit being "Agent #1" in a single episode of a TV series.
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Formula Ford is not a professional racing series, nor is Cork Racing an employer. In fact if you look up the webpage michealfitzgerald.com it automatically redirects to corkracing.ie indicating it is possibly a webpage set up by the subject himself. As for the
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Examiner article. The subject passes notability because the subject has actually achieved more acting and writing credits than actually listed. The subject will gain further notability and reference with the 2011 releases.
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Insufficient independent sources to establish notability. Claims that the article has not had enough time to mature are exaggerated: It was created on Jan 31st and it is now early April. If sources haven't been found yet, that most probably means there are none.
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This man is doing Irish racing drivers proud and his uncredited racing films are superb. He is proving there is life beyond racing using the skills gained in racing. A true life coach in the making. Keep her lit boyo! Irelands loss is Australia's
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Inching along with the new markup language reference sources were added . It was a fair contribution for a first effort. I thought it was a good achievment to leave it at that and go to soccer training.
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