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interested in footballers, but I understand their articles serve a purpose. I also don't understand the nominator's point that "Knowledge is not a directory of longest living people" - agreed 100%, but it's also not a directory of footballers, Members of Parliament, ice hockey players, beauty pageant winners, Olympic cyclists etc. If you're going to apply the same standards to all of these categories, then you're going to have a busy week.
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Notice that EVERY other person in this discussion - including editors uninvolved in this project - can clearly see that 1. Being the oldest person in the world is a notable accolade, and 2. The coverage in reliable sources is significant, and therefore this article should be kept. Citing a previous
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By this point, Canadian Paul should be laughed out of Knowledge for attempting to nominate someone who's the 6th oldest person in history. Anyone this desperate to prove a point needs to take some time off, as they have successfully embarrassed themselves to the point that the only thing they could
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A woman who lives to be 117 is notable, end of story. I think the problem with many of the recent longevity based Afd's (of which there have been a lot, I can hardly keep up) is that the nominator's are not interested and cannot understand how anyone else could be interested in this topic. I'm not
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notable. Furthermore, it's not true to say that AfD's in the past have deleted articles like this. World's oldest people titleholders are typically considered notable enough for an article. (P.s. I know I've posted a similar message elsewhere in response to a similar comment, but not everyone will
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is not written and as I noted, the depth of coverage here is largely obituaries which basically is routine coverage for most people. Not everyone who has a obituary is notable enough for inclusion so I'd need something more. All these AFDs are going wild with a ton of keeps or a ton of deletes (or
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Delete the world oldest person article?...It is incorrect. also, this article has been created with the other 30 languages of Knowledge. This person is well-known, reason for deleting the article does not have even one. You're why hated so much longevity article? I do not understand the meaning of
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are stand-alone lists of items that aren't associated with or significantly contribute to a Knowledge topic or subject, such as a list of employee names and their phone number extensions under the organization's article, a syllabus or agenda of items for a concert, programming guides for a radio
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die at a young age, and that's why she's notable. Being extremely aged isn't one event any more than being a golfer is; it's an intrinsic part of the person. The amount of coverage that the world's oldest people receive in the news is evidence that the oldest people in the world
945:, for instance) have reported on this woman, most notably during the time when she was the world's oldest person - as the three previously cited sources all confirm. As such, she has gained enough notability and media coverage to be considered encyclopedia-proof. 681:, simply being the oldest woman at one time was not sufficient for notability (also this isn't the Academy Awards, these "winners" are based solely on various sources alleging that she actually was the oldest woman alive at that time) because as discussed at 843:, in that this person (had she died at an average age) would have otherwise not been notable at all. All of the sources provided in the article, as well as other sources I found, only mention this person's death. As pointed out by 472:
for deletion. This is not up for debate, this is literally the worst AfD I have ever witnessed, an embarrassment to the process. This is what happens when AfD decisions are twisted to the point that no one bothers to try anymore.
827:'s relevancy with this nomination. In short, I agree with his argument and I am changing my vote. Taking into account the notability claimed in the article, as well as Knowledge's policies, I believe that this person does pass 712:
AfD to argue that this person isn't notable and that this one should be deleted is ridiculous (Koto Okubo wasn't even the world's oldest person and was unusual in that she didn't get covered widely in the media). --
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I'd just like to note for the record that 8 out of the 14 references listed at the bottom of the article were written before the subject had died. So to describe the coverage as "largely obituaries" is innacurate.
981:- Article is about a person who has garnered widespread media coverage. Former oldest living person, and the fifth-oldest person ever. Clearly notable. Nominator does not provide a policy-based reason to delete. 509:, Please be mindful of your comments towards other editors and keep to a respectful and constructive form of criticism. Not only does your statement not make sense (Canadian Paul did not create nor vote on this 173: 682: 678: 474: 485: 126: 167: 478: 272: 735:
just my delete and a ton of keeps) for some reason and we haven't seen to have figured out the middle ground yet and to me, "Oldest person ever" isn't it. --
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I'm not sure I understand your logic. It's like saying "If Tiger Woods wasn't a golfer, he wouldn't be notable, so he shouldn't have an article". The
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Except it was different when it was Okubo as the oldest woman. Is the rule the oldest person, man or woman at that time? Therefore only the people at
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test". Instead of each long-living person having their own article, they could instead be mentioned in an article regarding long-living persons.
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No specific policy cited to justify deletion. Subject is notable enough by virtue of the depth of coverage.
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does not confer notability per any policy, but the extent of coverage in this case seems to satisfy
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Longevity is not a reason for inclusion here. Knowledge is not a directory of longest living people
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A notable individual that has been cited in mutiple reliable sources, as the world's oldest person.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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coverage that would be expected rather than examples of notability as required by
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A myriad of sources from different parts of the world (such as Great-Britain
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Oshwah says it best. Perhaps it is time for this to be closed early.
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and articles regarding people who lived an above-average life span.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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if the person won an award?), but this article also falls under
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exists that the "oldest person from X large nation" is kept.
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station, yellow pages or white pages - those are examples of
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Koto Okubo (2nd nomination)
224:. She was the oldest woman in the world part of her life. 611:. However, after taking additional time to find and read 561:. There are no directories in this article whatsoever. 116: 112: 108: 180: 416:), including well sourced articles that clearly pass 1049:- She is the oldest Japanese person in history. -- 586:criterion and does not qualify for deletion under 464:do that is more embarrassing would be nominating 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 1120:). No further edits should be made to this page. 557:as the main reason for listing this article for 615:, I believe that the person does not fall into 194: 8: 819:Delete - I took some extra time to evaluate 305:: She is world record holder, so notable. -- 271:Note: This debate has been included in the 241:Note: This debate has been included in the 273:list of People-related deletion discussions 565:- I highly recommend that you brush up on 270: 243:list of Japan-related deletion discussions 240: 881:Changing back to Keep - See explanation 507:2602:306:8381:7390:C091:2760:198B:C94 475:2602:306:8381:7390:C091:2760:198B:C94 7: 607:I redacted this vote and changed to 488:as a block evading sockpuppet. -- 24: 386:: world record holder. period.-- 794:Being the world's oldest person 855:, this person is notable. 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