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373:- I am not sufficiently familiar with the TeddyBear-world to say whether or not this bear is a "star" within that community. The evidence of his notability so far is thin. But this is a notability issue, not a sourcing issue. There are certainly enough perfectly adequate sources for the bear's "biography" as it were, but we need evidence that Whoppit is notable enough to have a stand-alone article. Clearly there is enough for a section in the Campbell article. 923:
No independent notability from the owner; not enough encyclopedic info for separate article. The current article is simply bloated with trivia ("found floating" "brought to the graveyeard"). Even the fact that it failed to be sold at an auction shows it is not notable (or widow got greedy; still does
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for there to be a stand alone article on the topic. None of the subsections in the Donald Campbell article are directed to Mr Whoppit, so the consensus of editors of the main article itself do not think Mr Whoppit is a major subtopic the Donald Campbell topic. The subject can be more than adequately
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I agree that it's not about whether you or I are interested in Bears, but at the moment the article only quotes a few rather minor sources on Woppit rather than Whoppit (I am using the "h" to signify Campbell's personal bear, since that spelling distinction seems to be in the sources). I would be
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Amongst other sources, appears in two robust books about Campbell and also coverage by the Daily Telegraph. When they covered a family dispute over Campbell's wreck crash, they saw fit to also cover the dispute about Mr Whoppit. Some of the other bear-fan sources are quite llightweight, but worth
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for a consolidated article about this bear in his various guises, as suggested by Paul B's analysis. Although it can be reasonably argued that this material is subsidiary to more clearly notable primary topics, I think there's too much worthwhile content here to fit into either
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Mr Whoppit was commonly shortened to Whoppitt, and all of them were no doubt frequently mis-spelled (even "Blue Bird" and "Bluebird" are regularly mixed up). Those numbers though would seem to favour Mr Whoppit (as the correct form for the Campbell bear) over Woppit.
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I cannot believe that you are edit warring attempting to include forum posts, blogspot, flikr, and blacklisted hubpages.com as sources under some bizarre notion sources dont need to be reliable? Someone who has been here as long a you should really know better. --
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A bit off-topic, TRPoD, but Andy Dingley has done this to me, reverting my edit on a completely-unsourced, long-established article, and adding a commercial, self-published 2000s highly-promotional website as the only source relating to a 1960s-era article -
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I admit I did initially think teddy bear=not notable. However looking at the article, I see there are a number of different sources used which suggests to me that there is enough notability through coverage for it to pass GNG.
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Clearly they are all interrelated, but since your case for stand-alone notability depends on all these bears being, as it were, essentially "one thing" in evolving different forms, I guess you go with
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In fact having just done a google seearch for "woppit bear" and "whoppit bear" there seem to be a great many references to it, as both the original and the 1990s issue are clearly highly collectable
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This was twice blanked, then PRODed with the untruthful rationale, "all the "sources" are of absolutely non reliable kind". This is a rather obvious falsehood: of the 9 sources cited, one is to
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Non notable mascot, fails GNG, subject can be more than adequately covered in the article about the owner. both redirect and PROD contested by the creator so we get to have our jollies here.--
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Since the article itself is about the specific teddy bear mascot of Campbell, the sources for the other bears are immaterial. The sources for the Campbell bear (those that would qualify as
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existed beforehand as a character in a children's comic. This character was sufficiently popular for a bear maker to then produce a figure of the cartoon. If it were a pokemon or
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appear to be minor or passing mentions. There doesn't appear to be enough to sustain notability of this bear as a separate subject. --Eggishorn 01:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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The topic has been covered extensively in numerous sources over many years. Just taking the books about famous teddy bears which feature this "celebrity bear", we have:
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I'm not a bear afficionado either, although I have more interest in teddy bears than I do in baseball. Yet I can recognise that others interests are not mine and that
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is about measuring comment in other sources (which this topic meets, from sources around both bears and racing), not in whether or not it's a personal interest.
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For notability purposes "Different sources" must have significant coverage of the subject, not just mentioning in some trivia fact.
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might know a thing or two about motorbikes? Now apart from harbouring grudges, do you have anything relevant to add here?
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Andy Dingley makes a good case, as does Andrew Davidson. Reliable sources do give significant coverage of this item.
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All I see is a handful of passing mentions little reason for this to be split from the owners article.
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A lack of unique content that can easily be summarised and merged in to the main Campbell article.
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Why is the scope limited only to Campbell? The origins of the character are entirely relevant.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and numerous articles in newspapers and periodicals, including reputable broadsheets like
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The independent nature of Woppit is really on two grounds, separate from Campbell. He
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produced a commemorative bear, matching Campbell's differently clothed Mr Whoppit.
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Note that Red Pen is now proceeding to blank content and sources, and
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Mr Whoppit (Merrythought '90s repro, with jacket and Bluebird patch)
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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On top of this, there's a stack of books about Campbell, the
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and merge a small para's worth of content to main article on
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happy to change my mind if more evidence is brought forward.
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Teddy Bears: a guide to their history, collecting, and care
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reading for the bear-focussed detail that some appreciate.
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This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (
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