373:- I am not sufficiently familiar with the TeddyBear-world to say whether or not this bear is a "star" within that community. The evidence of his notability so far is thin. But this is a notability issue, not a sourcing issue. There are certainly enough perfectly adequate sources for the bear's "biography" as it were, but we need evidence that Whoppit is notable enough to have a stand-alone article. Clearly there is enough for a section in the Campbell article.
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existed beforehand as a character in a children's comic. This character was sufficiently popular for a bear maker to then produce a figure of the cartoon. If it were a pokemon or
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is about measuring comment in other sources (which this topic meets, from sources around both bears and racing), not in whether or not it's a personal interest.
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