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295:, removing these before doing a search simply leaves one with far too many false positives (even before one allows for the different ways to spell or even divide up what is left of the name). And, if there are significant reliable sources, chances are that they are in Urdu anyway (and, by the way, I suspect that the description of the subject as "chieftain" is a mistranslation from Urdu - but I've no idea of what the correct translation would be). 275:
the non-notable ones, particularly as there are often a number of ways of transcribing Urdu (and other Indian) names or deciding which parts of a name are important. For instance, in this article, the nominator marked two references as failing verification. In both cases, I am almost entirely convinced that he was wrong to do so - but as, in one case, the subject's name is given as
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This is the kind of AfD discussion where one is always worried that one is missing something. I'm fairly sure that we quite often delete articles on notable Indian Muslims from a hundred years or so ago - but the difficulty, as in this case, is knowing what to look for to distinguish the notable from
408:. I'd rather delete this article with the proviso that it can be recreated if someone with good sources in Urdu (or another language) shows up, than run the risk of allowing a potentially inaccurate or hoaxy article to continue its existence. 165: 283:, I can suggest no more than that he was insufficiently ingenious (and probably not to the point where it matters, as in both cases, this was just one name in a list). And, while I would point out that 379:, but clearly, this person has been dead for over 80 years. However, also because this person has been dead for over 80 years, it is unlikely that their notability has changed any since 2010. 159: 118: 91: 86: 375:, this article was created and recreated multiple times in 2010, and speedily deleted several times. (Although, clearly at least one deletion was improper as it was deleted as an 95: 78: 125: 251: 231: 180: 147: 412: 390: 359: 333: 304: 263: 243: 223: 204:, there is no independent verification that he held any significant post in that government, and his role as an early adherent of the 60: 17: 141: 386: 219: 137: 82: 187: 74: 66: 432: 40: 153: 428: 356: 329: 36: 300: 201: 173: 345: 314: 259: 239: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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doesn't seem to have been an integral part of the subject's name (it just seems to mean
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Munshi Muhammad Habibur Rahman, Chieftain, Kapurthala
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No verifiable indications that this person meets the
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