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While I agree that LWN.net is reliable, I'm not convinced of either the multiple or the sufficient detail prongs. More coverage from independent sources is needed. I'm not sure what message the above links to rules for submissions to various unrelated sites is supposed to convey about such coverage
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Allow me to rephrase: I did, in fact, get the narrow point you were making about LWN.net. I don't think it affects the larger point of whether or not there is actual multiple, independent sources that cover this program. I would question the suitability of Linux mailbox search tools as an article
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I'm quoting what they have on their website. You use the term "journalistic technique" but LWN has no jouralists employed and they request contributions from others (as per user-contributions) for pay. I agree though that the word "blog" is probably not appropriate but equally I cannot agree that
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in search of interesting developments to cover for our users" in place of the above, and it's clear that LWN.net is simply applying the same, traditional techniques to its non-traditional domain of coverage. With that objection to LWN.net as a source out of the way, the subject meets
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the topic is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources but that a single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization. This is still a single source and more is required.
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spend an unbelievable amount of time wandering the net in search of interesting developments to cover for our users. We also depend heavily on tips from our users; see the next section on how to send in something you have
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developer, incidentally) Neil Brown as being distinct, for notability purposes, from the ones by LWN staffer Jonathan Corbet. If you felt charitable enough to do this, and you've come to accept LWN as a
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Calling LWN.net a blog on that basis is essentially a dismissal of journalistic technique, which traditionally depends enormously on shoe leather and tips. Substitute "Wandering the
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and, I planned to comment sooner, I'll note that everything here is like a business listing and therefore WP:NOT applies, especially since there's then no actual substance.
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articles, into an article about mailbox search utilities, which is a fairly distinct category of software tools. This would be in accordance with the guidance given at
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Certainly, the LWN pieces are credible and provide sufficient detail for a comprehensive article. Additionally, I understand them to be neutral insofar as there is no
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between the authors of the pieces on the one hand, and the developers of Notmuch on the other. That being so, the coverage in LWN alone is arguably enough to meet
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I'm not sure what message the above links to rules for submissions to various unrelated sites is supposed to convey about such coverage from independent sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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applies, then as a preferable alternative to deletion or userfication, I propose merging the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/writing-for-times-higher-education/418274.article
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consider merging the article's verifiable content into a broader article providing context
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https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22shoe+leather%22+%22tips%22+%22journalism
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significant coverage in at least one reliable source that is independent of the subject
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The use of "usually" rather than "always" makes me think it would be fair for me to
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https://www.theguardian.com/info/contributing-to-the-guardian-and-observer
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they request contributions from others (as per user-contributions) for pay
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regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability."
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the premier news and information source for the free software community
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Insignificant program lacking coverage in independent reliable sources
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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then great: we've got multiple, in-depth, reliable sources, and
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AFAICT, both of your objections about LWN.net are groundless:
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grounds (but that's hardly a definitive position). Thanks.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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you to regard the LWN article by freelance LWN writer (and
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too, and would appear to be entirely in the spirit of the
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http://www.latimes.com/la-trw-guidelines-story-story.html
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I'm leaning towards agreeing with you that LWN meets
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but is arguably a blog since the website states they
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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Wizardman
16:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Notmuch
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