182:"Knowledge (XXG) considers the historical notability of persons and events, while keeping in mind the harm our work might cause. Someone or something that has been in the news for a brief period is not necessarily a suitable subject for an article in their own right. While Knowledge (XXG) strives to be comprehensive, the policies on biographies of living persons and neutral point of view should lead us to contextualize events appropriately, which may preclude a biography about someone who is not an encyclopedic subject, despite a brief appearance in the news. Routine news coverage and matters lacking encyclopedic substance, such as announcements, sports, gossip, and tabloid journalism, are not sufficient basis for an article."
699:- as an aside, it's worth mentioning that this article actually does, strictly speaking, pass our notability requirements. It has a sufficient amount of coverage from multiple reliable sources, and if it wasn't about a person, might well survive AfD. But articles about living people should always be treated differently when it comes to notability, and should be considered in a broader sense that weighs it against respecting their privacy; in other words, this article is the perfect demonstration of why
257:. We have deleted a whole bunch of articles on people whose only claim to notability was to have been part of the Bush family, and this one fits the bill as well as the others. So she's the President's niece. Would Mrs. Bush have been notable had she been a regular Joe with the same kind of legal trouble? --Blanchardb-
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