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I don't think anyone did a lot of research to put these numbers together. There are lots of 9/11 articles that *:mention where the victims came from. "Argentina 4, Australia 11, Bangladesh 6..." Just some cold statistics here. I remember that one of the five guys contained in "Peru - 5" was a
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