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211:. Not a separate company, not branded separately in announcements, and not all of Northern's electric routes have this branding. It is merely a limited-time promotional feature. It is not notable that trains are a different shade of purple, indeed some of Northern's other trains are branded in a red livery ( 52:. The content of this article is not included in the Northern Rails article, so the CONTENTFORK argument is weak. The images in the articles suggest that Northern electrics is indeed a different brand. The content might be merged to Northern Rail, but none of the !voters suggested this. 326:- I think that considering the amount of detailed information the Northern Electrics article contains it should be retained. In my view there is too much information in the Northern Electrics article to summarise it all into a small section on the Northern Rail article - 173: 236:. The electrification of the Liverpool/Manchester/Preston/Blackpool routes is certainly notable, as shown by the sources. The remaining question is whether it is useful as a separate article, or better merged into 167: 455:
It doesn't matter who was responsible for the previous infrastructure improvements, it's what the current electrification service is, which of course is different than "livery or branding."--
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Northern Electrics is just a sub-brand of Northern Rail and should be included in that article. It is all part of the one franchise agreement, in much the same way that the
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Livery or branding, it adds up to the same thing. Northern Rail is not responsible for infrastructure improvements or electrification, this is Network Rail.
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service that distincts itself from the rest of the majority diesel operation of the rest of Northern Rail's network. --
381:- An article purely about the livery chosen by a railway company for a particular service it operates is not notable. 55: 280:. There's already too much topic-specific content here to be merged with the already long Northern Rail article. -- 161: 584: 40: 277: 501: 390: 382: 580: 446: 410: 394: 366: 349: 36: 331: 273: 252: 244: 212: 561: 529: 517: 386: 181: 460: 432: 285: 553:". Although it has been expanded since, I still don't think it justifies a separate article. -- 64: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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