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550:. No case for passing PORNBIO. The claim that she passes the GNG rests entirely on two extremely brief articles reporting only superficial biographical information. Both articles are minimal, existing primarily as a hook on which to hang galleries of cheesecake photos of the subject -- in other words, clickbait. It's also rather curious that the 767:
points out its reputation for "misconduct and disregard for the rules of journalistic ethics" and "the administration of untruth and creat fictional material". What's happened here is fairly straightforward: a flurry of posts on social media claimed (without any credible evidence) that the winner of
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Fakt is characterised by its downmarket, often sensationalist journalism with a populist appeal...Fakt has been subjected to criticism concerning its style of journalism from media watchdogs. Twice so far, the Association of Polish Journalists awarded Fakt with its "Hyena Of The Year" award for
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is, in fact, a Pulitzer Prize-winning tabloid. You've rightly pointed out that tabloid journalism doesn't count towards an event's notability. This biography, however, has two articles from newspapers that are tabloids. If you want to make the argument that these two articles represent tabloid
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is usually considered a poor basis for an encyclopedia article, due to the lack of fact checking inherent in sensationalist and scandal mongering news reporting. Per policy, Knowledge (XXG) is not for scandal mongering or
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with significant coverage in reliable mainstream Polish media. Some of the sources are in the tabloid format, which does not degrade their reliability. Some "delete" votes above are confusing
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seems to be the starting point, apparently based only on visual resemblances in a few photos. Sources which base their reporting on social media aren't reliable, and can't support a BLP.
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it fails GNG? Notability is demonstrated as per the Polish sources and I am sure other refs could be found if we looked. Deleting this would be as silly as deleting
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piece describes her as the only Pole with a significant role in the US porn industry, effectively denying the existence of her sister (who is discussed in the
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per Irn's rationale. These porn AfDs are becoming increasingly lazy. "Fails GNG" when there is clearly some claim to notability. How about explaining
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Tabloids are generally poor in terms of quality reporting, fact-checking, and reputation, thus they are frowned upon when considering what is a
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to determine a subject's notability. Without the tabloid name-drops, there's nothing to satisfy the project's notability threshold.
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piece). With only these two flimsy and inconsistent articles cited, it's difficult to see how BLP/GNG requirements can be met.
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journalism, you are free to do so, but the mere fact that they are from a tabloid-style newspaper is not sufficient. --
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as passes PORNBIO & GNG, Ofcourse as always this !vote has absolutely nothing to do with her looks. –
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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a quite minor beauty pageant ("Miss Polonia Manhattan") had become a porn performer. (
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You're mistaken. "Tabloid" is a type of journalism. I'd like to point you to
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routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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are both legitimate newspapers on par with something like the
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Tabloids and tabloid journalism are not the same thing. The
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tabloids are Not generally accepted As passing the gng.
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per Irn. Covered by Polish reliable sources including
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
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