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Namoa article claimed to be King Josiah Tupou of Tonga in 1830 is contrary to Tongan official history. This claimed by the original author can not be verified independently and the sources the claimed is based on is unreliable and biased. All these conflicting issues have been discussed in the Namoa
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as the original author has not verified her story with independent, reliable first hand account or verified by a third source. Her claim that Namoa is Josiah Tupou is based on a Biased source of family genealogy and is not a published work but of SELF PUBLISHED as their
Niumeitolu Genealogy was
581:, I agree with you, the genealogy also appears to me to probably be self-published, and a handwritten journal is, by definition, self-published. I said, in pertinent part, "a family tree which has not been shown to be ... not self-published". Too many "nots" in that sentence, I suppose. —
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