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even if the sources he quotes are reliable and say what he says that they say. Though Anacrossan continues to beg for time to add sources, the article has existed for over three years without those sources being added. I recommend incubation over userfication because incubation sets a at–least–fuzzy
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Namoa article claimed to be King Josiah Tupou of Tonga in 1830 is contrary to Tongan official history. This claimed by the original author can not be verified independently and the sources the claimed is based on is unreliable and biased. All these conflicting issues have been discussed in the Namoa
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as the original author has not verified her story with independent, reliable first hand account or verified by a third source. Her claim that Namoa is Josiah Tupou is based on a Biased source of family genealogy and is not a published work but of SELF PUBLISHED as their Niumeitolu Genealogy was
581:, I agree with you, the genealogy also appears to me to probably be self-published, and a handwritten journal is, by definition, self-published. I said, in pertinent part, "a family tree which has not been shown to be ... not self-published". Too many "nots" in that sentence, I suppose. — 519:
Anacrossan the original editor is the author of the Niumeitolu Family Tree which were posted on their personal page on Bebo. Anacrossan claimed that she is right or expert based on her own Self Published Family Tree or she is a family to Namoa. The family tree is a Microsoft Org
533:. The second point is born 1775? Capt Cook visit Tonga in 1777 and recorded his experience. The Tongan could not write or even know what year was it. How did 1775 come about with no Inline Citation just indicate the ridiculous of the story. 394:
that he does not have at hand and hasn't said where to find. The rest of Anacrossan's proof based upon the title (or, depending on who you want to believe, clan name) Toupou, birth order, mother's names, etc., is
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deadline for improving the article and doesn't allow the page creator to simply move the article out of userspace back into mainspace on his/her own volition. Let me note that this "delete" vote is
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There is no inline citation that will verify this claimed story. It took me a few months to check and have found that Tupou was someone else not what Anacrossan claimed.
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here only cites two direct sources to prove that Namoa is who Anacrossan claims him to be: a family tree which has not been shown to be
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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2. What independently reliable sources that will verify your claim apart from the opposing family claim?
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as unsourced speculation, badly enough written that it's very hard to tell what it's trying to say. --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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published or created by themself. Original author ignore the request for discussion.
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issues that will need to be settled before this article can be ready for main space.
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and a journal by a Rev. Turner, available only in the original handwritten (i.e.
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I've gone through the talk page looking only at the article creator
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I believe when you see its a duck, we should called it a duck.
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matters, but simply a recognition that Anacrossan has not met
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1. Who was Tupou that was baptised as Josiah Tupou in 1830?
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comments and ignoring the arguments made by and against
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an endorsement of, condemnation of, or comment upon
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