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or Holy Communion, which is most certainly not a Jewish ritual. Thomas Christian denominations generally follow the East or West Syrian liturgies, including the Qurbana, and I can find no evidence that they differ on this point. The incomplete citations and the obscurity of most of the works cited
461:- I cannot find any evidence that this article has a basis in sources. I have looked at online versions of several of the books cited in the article (some as full text and some as snippets), and I do not find any indication that they contain the information supposedly obtained from them. -- 360:, who was recently topic banned for issues stemming from his long push to introduce spurious material into Knowledge connecting the origins of the Saint Thomas Christians to ancient Jews. Several items here ring false on their face. Most notably, in Jewish ceremonies 262:
and its description is laughable, first of all raising the gospel is found in almost all Christian denominations and is not exclusive to the Saint Thomas Christians. Secondly, since when was the Syriac Peshitta read to a Malayalam speaking
526:. This is discussed in oral Nasrani tradition. However I wrote this using primary sources. So I was wrong as per wikipedia approach of secondary sources. Having said that, the deletion of anything and everything Jewish on the page 164: 534:
in LATIN if that makes it any less jewish. This is basic. There is nothing propaganda about it. My edits were in that regard no different from these deletions. Thanks and with regards
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with no reliable sources has any mention of anything called Nasrani Hagbah. The author has already been blocked for propaganda stuff like this and the article should be deleted.
309:. The creator has been trying to spam their fringe-y "Jewish origin" claims across numerous articles and has been rebuffed at DRN and several other venues (ANI was one, IIRC). - 196: 158: 119: 530:
just on the basis of mere discussion and without sources is getting out of control. For one the inner altar of the house of worship is indeed Holy of Holies or
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makes verification difficult, but I have no confidence that Robin klein interpreted the sources accurately anyway. In my opinion, no option but to delete.--
522:, The article should be deleted. Having said that the practice of raising of the bible among Nasranis is based on the samaritan/jewish practice of 501:, if you'd like to respond here on your user page I will not treat it as a violation of your topic ban. I'll make your response known at the AfD.-- 124: 366:
is the raising of the Torah before the congregation before or after a reading; this article describes the "Nasrani Hagbah" as part of the
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I notice many of the article creator's edits are on the Syrian Malabar Nasrani or Saint Thomas Christians. I don't see any
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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356:", or even drawing a similarity. This article was created by 109: 105: 101: 171: 197:list of Christianity-related deletion discussions 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 567:). No further edits should be made to this page. 499:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Nasrani Hagbah 185: 8: 326:Note: This debate has been included in the 195:Note: This debate has been included in the 328:list of India-related deletion discussions 325: 194: 7: 475:The discussion below is copied from 437:. The article is an ideal case of 24: 221:only return Knowledge mirrors.-- 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 584: 62:16:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC) 544:16:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 514:16:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 489:18:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 471:13:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 454:09:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 430:07:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 413:03:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 388:00:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 342:23:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 319:16:25, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 296:16:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 254:16:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 211:18:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC) 556:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 528:Saint Thomas Christians 307:Saint Thomas Christians 477:User talk:Robin klein 403:for this subject. -- 48:The result was 532:Sanctum sanctorum 511: 385: 344: 331: 293: 260:Accompanied image 251: 213: 575: 558: 509: 447: 383: 332: 294: 289: 286: 281: 276: 271: 252: 247: 244: 239: 234: 229: 204: 190: 189: 175: 127: 117: 99: 34: 583: 582: 578: 577: 576: 574: 573: 572: 571: 565:deletion review 554: 445: 282: 277: 272: 267: 264: 263:congregation?-- 240: 235: 230: 225: 222: 202: 132: 123: 90: 74: 71: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 581: 579: 570: 569: 550: 549: 548: 547: 546: 492: 491: 473: 456: 432: 415: 399:or almost any 390: 346: 345: 322: 321: 299: 298: 215: 214: 192: 129: 76:Nasrani Hagbah 70: 68:Nasrani Hagbah 65: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 580: 568: 566: 562: 557: 551: 545: 541: 537: 533: 529: 525: 521: 517: 516: 515: 512: 506: 504: 500: 496: 495: 494: 493: 490: 486: 482: 478: 474: 472: 468: 464: 460: 457: 455: 452: 450: 449: 448: 440: 436: 433: 431: 427: 423: 419: 416: 414: 410: 406: 402: 398: 394: 391: 389: 386: 380: 378: 373: 369: 365: 364: 359: 355: 351: 348: 347: 343: 339: 335: 329: 324: 323: 320: 316: 312: 308: 304: 301: 300: 297: 292: 288: 287: 285: 280: 275: 270: 261: 258: 257: 256: 255: 250: 246: 245: 243: 238: 233: 228: 220: 212: 209: 206: 205: 198: 193: 188: 184: 181: 178: 174: 170: 166: 163: 160: 157: 154: 151: 148: 145: 142: 138: 135: 134:Find sources: 130: 126: 121: 115: 111: 107: 103: 98: 94: 89: 85: 81: 77: 73: 72: 69: 66: 64: 63: 59: 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 555: 552: 498: 458: 443: 442: 434: 417: 392: 368:Holy Qurbana 361: 349: 302: 283: 278: 273: 268: 265: 241: 236: 231: 226: 223: 219:Google books 216: 201: 182: 176: 168: 161: 155: 149: 143: 133: 49: 47: 31: 28: 536:Robin klein 370:, i.e. the 358:Robin klein 159:free images 54:Mark Arsten 520:Cuchullain 503:Cúchullain 497:Regarding 377:Cúchullain 561:talk page 372:Eucharist 334:• Gene93k 37:talk page 563:or in a 405:Artene50 217:Hoax... 120:View log 39:or in a 422:Woofboy 401:sources 303:Comment 165:WP refs 153:scholar 93:protect 88:history 524:Hagbah 481:Orlady 463:Orlady 459:Delete 446:AshLey 435:Delete 418:Delete 393:Delete 363:hagbah 354:hagbah 350:Delete 311:Sitush 137:Google 97:delete 50:delete 518:Dear 439:WP:OR 397:WP:RS 208:Smith 203:Cliff 180:JSTOR 141:books 125:Stats 114:views 106:watch 102:links 16:< 540:talk 485:talk 467:talk 426:talk 420:. -- 409:talk 338:talk 315:talk 291:talk 249:talk 173:FENS 147:news 110:logs 84:talk 80:edit 58:talk 187:TWL 122:• 118:– ( 542:) 487:) 479:-- 469:) 428:) 411:) 340:) 330:. 317:) 199:. 167:) 112:| 108:| 104:| 100:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 60:) 52:. 538:( 510:c 507:/ 483:( 465:( 424:( 407:( 384:c 381:/ 336:( 313:( 284:y 279:f 274:a 269:R 242:y 237:f 232:a 227:R 191:) 183:· 177:· 169:· 162:· 156:· 150:· 144:· 139:( 131:( 128:) 116:) 78:( 56:(

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