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Skittles incident do serve as cautionary tales. That said, however, no single incident is worthy of its own page. The suspension of the 8th grader is trivial in comparison to the horrific deaths of several people in a construction accident (as in New York City yesterday), or a suicide bombing in Iraq, and even those would be objected to as lacking sufficient notability to become a permanent part of Knowledge (XXG). I think this is headed to a "no consensus", so it will be kept. When it gets renominated sometime a few months from now, the passage of time will show a different perspective.
748:- in the long run, people will appreciate articles like this more, not less. It would be great if Knowledge (XXG) had been around in 1900 or 1800 or 1700 or 1200 to collect verifiable information related to some of the normal, everyday things that were happening in those periods. Scholars of today would find such articles to immensely valuable. An article like this should be kept so that it available for future readers/writers to study, learn from, re-write and reorganize. Knowledge (XXG) is not paper, it is OK to cover some things that are not the best or most memorable of their type.
547:....and when you do your google news search a week from now, you'll find that the press has forgotten about the Skittles story and has moved on to other things. Replacing it in the "look what's wrong with our schools" category will be a story about someone who got in trouble in school for having a plastic knife, or cough drops, or an inappropriate T-shirt. I think he's at about "ten after" on his fifteen minutes of fame. When the kid gets back the honors that had been taken away, I can guarantee that the press will not report the happy ending.
939:. What it has to do with is a school policy and an overreaction in its enforcement. The school made a policy, a student violated the policy, and the school decided that an extreme reaction was appropriate. Several other actions (and in many cases, overreactions) can be linked through that category, and in a year when the specific incident is forgotten, it can still easily be found.
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I'm afraid that in all the "excitement", the author forgot to mention the school in the article. In one of those bizarre coincidences that we'll be talking about for generations to come, the kid's last name and the school name are the same. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that the kid got a
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More than a mere one-time news story, this is an event that has attracted widespread attention (far beyond the locale where it occurred) because it resonates with many people as a an exemplar of something that's wrong (or maybe something that's right) in society at large and in schools. It should be
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Skittles... in that case, I'm surprised I didn't get booted out of college for all the times I sat there snorking down Combos while in class!
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lifetime supply of delicious Skittles-brand candy! Taste the rainbow.
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