1216:. It states "gesicherter aber sind die Erkenntnisse über eine Gruppe von Rhein und Ruhr. Dabei soll es sich um einen Ableger des berüchtigen Arabaci-Clans handeln, der über Jahre auf den Kölner Ringen und darüber hinaus das Rotlicht- und Schutzgeldwesen beherrscht hat. Ein Vertrauter des 2004 wegen Menschenhandels, Zuhälterei und Bildung einer Kriminellen Vereinigung zu neun Jahren Haft verurteilten und später in die Türkei abgeschobenen Clan-Chefs Necati „Neco“ Arabaci, 44, ist nach Informationen aus Polizeikreisen mehrfach im Bereich Oranienburger Straße polizeilich festgestellt worden.". This roughly says that a group, which is assumed to be a branch of the infamous Aragaci clan, was seen in Berlin (assumed and seen by police). It is not exactily said that they are possibly trying to gain a foothold for the gang in the city's red-light scene, but that the police assumes that there are gangs trying to gain foothold and that they are watching therefore the Arabaci people.
1176:"einst mächtigsten Mann der Kölner Türsteher- und Rotlichtszene Necati A." translates as "formerly mightiest man of the cologne bouncer and red light disctrict scene Necati A.". "Wegen Rädelsführerschaft einer kriminellen Vereinigung, schweren Menschenhandels, Körperverletzung, räuberischer Erpressung und Zuhälterei wurde der Rotlichtpate zu neun Jahren, sein Komplize zu acht Jahren und neun Monaten Haft verurteilt." translates as "sentenced for gang leader ship of a criminal association, serioully human trafficking, personal injury, extortionate robbery and procuration".
424:. I re-added OR tag, since we cannot verify German articles, yet still not sure if there is any OR or not. By the way I completely omitted the racist article creator part before I comment, so it is another issue with the article, my mistake. Does the article references also racist or they are NPOV. Changed my vote and comments, I still support merging, with a weaker keep.
416:. Also notifying related projects results much more healthy debates with wider participation. We also need a translator so we can decide how strong/weak the references are. I have done all I could do for improving article. There aren't internet sources more than the creator provided. If the standalone article is not needed merge it with
911:, "When citing a source in a different language, without quotations, the original and its translation should be provided if requested by other editors"; in the absence of such a verifiable reference, I am reluctant to accept the assessment of the editor who added these, and has since been indefinitely blocked for "disruptive editing".
1191:, that's a public (not private) German broadcaster. I've watched the 11 minutes. The text supports the claims of the article that gangs of bouncers controlled the Kölner Ringe disctict. However, although some names of the gang leaders are named, the name "Necati Arabaci" is not mentionened or I've missed it.
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Er, the difference is that you were directly warned by an admin, one who actually cited your atrocious behavior in the AfD closing statement, which I have never seen before. The "warnings" you refer to on my talk page come from regular editors, like you, who have had a beef with me. Apples and
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Cologne", a "crime lord" was sentenced to 9 years in prison for prostitution-related offences. I have concerns however about the reliability of the sources - even with de-1 they seem a tad sensationalist.
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English-speaking, not Western, my mistake. With the sourcing now though, it just seems like this is a small-interest person whose notability doesn't rally extend beyond where the crimes were committed.
1089:. I don't know German but his full name is "Necati Coskun Arabaci" and his nick is "General der Kölsch-Türken" We shouldn't use if the nick is used by racists or a racist slur/insult. Can anyone translate meaning of the nick what Kölsch means, I couldn't find it on dictionary.
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Really ? It makes the following claims : "He owns numerous brothels in
Germany and Spain, and is involved in serious human trafficking. His men entice young girls from the East to Germany, and force them into prostitution." with no cite. I can't see those in the sources.
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Thank you for the translations, you put a lot of effort. At least sources translated correctly and so racism is no concern. In my view organized crime leaders in high populated cities deserves a space. yet we may always merge the content since the sources support the
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That's why I quoted the policy above, that the original and a translation should be provided. As I suspected, some at least of the assertions made in the article are not verified by the sources cited; they should be removed at once.
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Admins tend to make mistakes, a lot. I don't change my opinions if the user is admin or not. I respect who contributes to wikipedia, that is all. you try to start a quarrel but I will give your answers in actual talk page not here.
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Millionengeschäfte mit Zwangsprostitution - Das europaweite Netzwerk der Bordellmafia Autoren: Klaus Wiendl und Oliver Bendixen
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