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Can you provide a link to the previous AfD debates? I can't find any previous AfDs linking to any of the articles, and there is nothing on the talk page. If there was a past AfD it may have been do to lack of clarity on whether the Irish league was fully professional or not, but now it is clear that
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I'm seeing several relevent hits in Excite, but I'm not sure that these articles are factually acurate. Please note that this is not the first time the articles have been to AfD, and they were kept last time. We delete way too many articles out of sheer laziness.
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who play for the same club and have never played in a fully professional league. Prods removed by same IP with claim that prodding them was vandalism. Same IP also removed the AfD tag from
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when you've been told tens of times that it's irrelevant, and attempting to downplay the fact that 5/12 clubs in the league are not fully-professional is not only a violation of
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